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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 30/11/24 08:31:00

Michael, I congratulate you on your higher standards but sometimes you have to work with what data is available.

While accepting that the Department for Transport data on the number of motor vehicles is deeply flawed, can we completely discount it in the absence of other more reliable numbers? The methodology of estimation isn't going to give a precise number but the assumption that Chiswick High Road might have followed the broader trends seen elsewhere in London since the last manual count is likely to give us a sense of the broader picture.

It is assuming the number of motor vehicles on CHR is down post Covid because they have data for similar roads for that period. While there may be specific factors that would lead to that being wrong, as it appears to be for the estimates on the cycle count, I can't think of any that would apply to motor vehicles for Chiswick High Road and there are other factors that might indicate that the fall might have been greater than the DfT estimates.

Therefore while there is no proof, and your high standards may prevent you from accepting this, it seems a reasonable conclusion that the number of motor vehicles has fallen significantly on Chiswick High from 2019 to the present day.

We do have numbers that would meet your high standards which show categorically that congestion has increased in Chiswick during this period. So the data that we have tells us that traffic delays have risen at a time when the number of vehicles probably has fallen.

The relevance of this is that number of vehicles will increase again due to the Rivercourt Road restriction. Hopefully you would agree that an estimate of a quarter of those that previously used Rivercourt Road will now come through Chiswick which would be an extra thousand vehicles a day which is probably just shy of a 10% increase in non-bus motor traffic.

What we need to ask is how this will affect local roads. Will the queues on the designated routes mean that SatNavs start to direct vehicles up roads such as Heathfield Gardens, Sutton Court Road, Dukes Avenue and maybe even Ashbourne Grove. How will these diversions affect the bus route on Chiswick Lane, which has already seen substantial increases in delays and how will bus travel times along Chiswick High Road be affected? Will the extra vehicles transecting C9 shift collision risk to Chiswick?

You may have an opinion on the answer to these questions but we don't anything for sure because not even the most basic research or modelling has been done and Hounslow Council is supinely accepting a change which may have a very major impact on our area.


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Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 07:07:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 16:22:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 16:35:00 Jeremy Parkinson
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 16:42:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:07:00 N V Brooks
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:10:00 Justin Stephenson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:29:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:33:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:30:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:48:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 15:36:00 Una-Jane Winfield
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:53:00 Edward Kent
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 19:20:00 Una-Jane Winfield
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 19:20:00 Una-Jane Winfield
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 16:21:00 Elizabeth Price
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 16:59:00 Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:10:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:25:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 08:41:00 Michael Good
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 09:21:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 10:40:00 Mark Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 02:16:00 Andrew Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 08:56:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 13:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:23:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:29:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 03:01:00 Andrew Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 06:20:00 Paul Campbell
         Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane25/11/24 10:16:00 Francis Rowe
            Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane25/11/24 13:39:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 09:34:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 10:27:00 Tom Pike
                     Reply26/11/24 10:38:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 10:44:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 20:15:00 Justin Stephenson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 20:38:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 08:26:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 10:05:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 11:27:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 12:05:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:19:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 12:59:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:12:00 Michael Good
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 14:13:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 22:30:00 Michael Good
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 22:35:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Reply28/11/24 09:30:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Re:Reply28/11/24 10:22:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Reply28/11/24 23:32:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:59:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 14:36:00 Francis Rowe
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 15:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 08:31:00 Francis Rowe
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 09:48:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 18:26:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:29:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 16:58:00 John Southey
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:42:00 Russell Pearson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:54:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 15:14:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 15:32:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 16:05:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 14:55:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 15:15:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 16:05:00 Mark Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 16:16:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 10:40:00 Mark Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 10:48:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 12:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 12:35:00 Andrew Jones
                                          Reply02/12/24 13:15:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Reply02/12/24 15:15:00 Mark Evans
                                                Re:Re:Reply03/12/24 09:57:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Reply03/12/24 10:03:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 10:05:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 11:36:00 Paul Campbell
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply05/12/24 10:25:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply05/12/24 10:46:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:39:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:47:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:50:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions28/11/24 19:14:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions05/12/24 11:52:00 Peter Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions05/12/24 12:21:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 06:51:00 Francis Rowe
                                 Reply11/12/24 10:33:00 Michael Good
                                    Re:Reply11/12/24 11:45:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Reply11/12/24 11:51:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re:Reply11/12/24 12:12:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 16:35:00 Nik Solomon
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 17:35:00 Andrew Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 22:29:00 Andrew Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions13/12/24 07:28:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions16/12/24 16:42:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 17:05:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 17:27:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:00:00 Robert Dawbarn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:05:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 13:14:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 21:12:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 09:23:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:01:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 17:33:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 19:29:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 19:53:00 David Turner
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 10:44:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 10:56:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 13:56:00 Andrew Jones
                                    Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 14:02:00 Maggie Dodge
                                       Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 17:32:00 Peter Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 17:40:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully22/12/24 19:29:00 Michael Brown
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 07:34:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 07:41:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 23:51:00 Mark Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully24/12/24 07:05:00 Paul Campbell
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully14/01/25 15:36:00 Mark Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully14/01/25 23:40:00 Madeleine Hazard
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 12:38:00 Tim Janman
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 13:06:00 Mark Talbot
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 13:10:00 Julia Fresney
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/01/25 09:14:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 08:30:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 08:30:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 11:32:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/01/25 11:17:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/01/25 11:48:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions22/01/25 09:34:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions22/01/25 10:15:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Reply23/01/25 09:15:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Reply23/01/25 10:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Reply23/01/25 11:53:00 Francis Rowe
                                          Re:Reply23/01/25 13:13:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re:Reply23/01/25 13:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:00:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Reply23/01/25 15:11:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:21:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                      Re:Re:23/01/25 15:25:00 Michael Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:42:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                            Reply24/01/25 10:45:00 Mark Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes24/01/25 11:12:00 Steve Taylor
                                                               'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 09:35:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                  Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 09:44:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 10:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 11:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 13:48:00 Mark Talbot
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 14:08:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 15:12:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 16:24:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'28/01/25 08:38:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'28/01/25 09:37:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'30/01/25 08:37:00 Mark Evans
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'30/01/25 09:57:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 14:48:00 Mark Evans
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 15:35:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 18:14:00 David Turner
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'01/02/25 10:34:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'02/02/25 14:01:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 09:28:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 11:11:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                                     Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes03/02/25 13:45:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes04/02/25 11:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes04/02/25 12:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes05/02/25 09:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re: human centipedes05/02/25 10:09:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:the human centipede04/02/25 13:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'01/02/25 16:14:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'02/02/25 19:24:00 Joy Skinner
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 13:24:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 16:00:00 Peter Evans

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