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Topic: Reply
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 28/11/24 09:30:00

Tom, your claim that 'congestion seems to be easing overall' is based on the selection of the one piece of data that could support that view.

If you look at the figures more broadly it is very clear there has been a significant increase in delays in Chiswick from 2019 to 2023. It is taking on average nearly an extra three minutes to travel between King Street and Chiswick Roundabout. Much of the extra journey time is in the centre of Chiswick. Remembering that this is an average and for much of the day the roads will be clear, the increased delays experienced at busier times will be much higher .

On Chiswick Lane, you are right that delays have fallen here even though this is surprising given the reported increase in bus journey times on this road. However, there has been a larger offsetting increase in delays on Burlington Lane, which explains the increased queueing back to Edensor Road. One explanation could be that traffic is flowing more freely northbound on Chiswick Lane because it is being throttled at Hogarth Roundabout.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
       

Road

     
       

    2023

     

       

2019

     
       

Delays per mile (seconds)

     
       

Delays per mile (minutes)

     
       

A315 King Street  (6897)

     
       

166

     

       

129.3

     
       

36.7

     
       

0.6

     
       

A315 Chiswick High Road (36947)

     
       

126

     

       

157.9

     
       

-31.9

     
       

-0.5

     
       

A315 Chiswick High Road  (16867)

     
       

335.7

     

       

181.1

     
       

154.6

     
       

2.6

     
       

A315 Chiswick High Road (56697)

     
       

155

     

       

147.1

     
       

7.9

     
       

0.1

     
       

King Street to Chiswick Roundabout

     
       

782.7

     

       

615.4

     
       

167.3

     
       

2.8

     






       

Chiswick Lane (36951)

     
       

180.6

     

       

212.8

     
       

-32.2

     
       

-0.5

     
       

Burlington Lane (48572)

     
       

107.9

     

       

63.4

     
       

44.5

     
       

0.7

     

       

288.5

     

       

276.2

     
       

12.3

     
       

0.2

     


Even if you don't accept that theory, these numbers show that rather than congestion easing it is getting worse in Chiswick. You and Michael have spent a lot of time and energy trying to discredit the Department for Transport figures I gave earlier showing the number of motor vehicles had fallen on Chiswick High Road, even though, as I understand it you don't dispute that this has actually happened. 

We can probably assume that the recent very welcome fall the number of serious collisions on Chiswick High Road is to some extent due to there being fewer vehicles on the road and those that are there moving more slowly.

As no traffic modelling has been done to estimate the impact of the diversion of vehicles into Chiswick due to the Rivercourt Road closure, nobody can really say for sure what the impact will be. However, it is a sound assumption that congestion and delays will increase on Chiswick Lane, Chiswick High Road and King Street. As average speeds will therefore fall, you could make the argument that the risk of serious collisions also drops but this will be offset by the increased number of vehicles. 

Nobody can make confident predictions about what the impact of these changes here but I would say that a belief that junction design means that an increased number of vehicles does not represent and increased risk for people walking, cycling and driving in Chiswick is dangerously complacent.





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               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 19:20:00 Una-Jane Winfield
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 16:21:00 Elizabeth Price
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 16:59:00 Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:10:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:25:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 08:41:00 Michael Good
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 09:21:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 10:40:00 Mark Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 02:16:00 Andrew Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 08:56:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 13:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:23:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:29:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 03:01:00 Andrew Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 06:20:00 Paul Campbell
         Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane25/11/24 10:16:00 Francis Rowe
            Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane25/11/24 13:39:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 09:34:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 10:27:00 Tom Pike
                     Reply26/11/24 10:38:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 10:44:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 20:15:00 Justin Stephenson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 20:38:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 08:26:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 10:05:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 11:27:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 12:05:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:19:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 12:59:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:12:00 Michael Good
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 14:13:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 22:30:00 Michael Good
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 22:35:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Reply28/11/24 09:30:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Re:Reply28/11/24 10:22:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Reply28/11/24 23:32:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:59:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 14:36:00 Francis Rowe
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 15:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 08:31:00 Francis Rowe
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 09:48:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 18:26:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:29:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 16:58:00 John Southey
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:42:00 Russell Pearson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:54:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 15:14:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 15:32:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 16:05:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 14:55:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 15:15:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 16:05:00 Mark Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 16:16:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 10:40:00 Mark Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 10:48:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 12:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 12:35:00 Andrew Jones
                                          Reply02/12/24 13:15:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Reply02/12/24 15:15:00 Mark Evans
                                                Re:Re:Reply03/12/24 09:57:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Reply03/12/24 10:03:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 10:05:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 11:36:00 Paul Campbell
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply05/12/24 10:25:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply05/12/24 10:46:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:39:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:47:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:50:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions28/11/24 19:14:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions05/12/24 11:52:00 Peter Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions05/12/24 12:21:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 06:51:00 Francis Rowe
                                 Reply11/12/24 10:33:00 Michael Good
                                    Re:Reply11/12/24 11:45:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Reply11/12/24 11:51:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re:Reply11/12/24 12:12:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 16:35:00 Nik Solomon
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 17:35:00 Andrew Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 22:29:00 Andrew Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions13/12/24 07:28:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions16/12/24 16:42:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 17:05:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 17:27:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:00:00 Robert Dawbarn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:05:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 13:14:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 21:12:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 09:23:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:01:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 17:33:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 19:29:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 19:53:00 David Turner
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 10:44:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 10:56:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 13:56:00 Andrew Jones
                                    Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 14:02:00 Maggie Dodge
                                       Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 17:32:00 Peter Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 17:40:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully22/12/24 19:29:00 Michael Brown
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 07:34:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 07:41:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 23:51:00 Mark Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully24/12/24 07:05:00 Paul Campbell
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully14/01/25 15:36:00 Mark Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully14/01/25 23:40:00 Madeleine Hazard
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 12:38:00 Tim Janman
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 13:06:00 Mark Talbot
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 13:10:00 Julia Fresney
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/01/25 09:14:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 08:30:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 08:30:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 11:32:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/01/25 11:17:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/01/25 11:48:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions22/01/25 09:34:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions22/01/25 10:15:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Reply23/01/25 09:15:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Reply23/01/25 10:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Reply23/01/25 11:53:00 Francis Rowe
                                          Re:Reply23/01/25 13:13:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re:Reply23/01/25 13:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:00:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Reply23/01/25 15:11:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:21:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                      Re:Re:23/01/25 15:25:00 Michael Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:42:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                            Reply24/01/25 10:45:00 Mark Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes24/01/25 11:12:00 Steve Taylor
                                                               'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 09:35:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                  Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 09:44:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 10:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 11:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 13:48:00 Mark Talbot
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 14:08:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 15:12:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 16:24:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'28/01/25 08:38:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'28/01/25 09:37:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'30/01/25 08:37:00 Mark Evans
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'30/01/25 09:57:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 14:48:00 Mark Evans
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 15:35:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 18:14:00 David Turner
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'01/02/25 10:34:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'02/02/25 14:01:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 09:28:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 11:11:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                                     Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes03/02/25 13:45:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes04/02/25 11:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes04/02/25 12:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes05/02/25 09:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re: human centipedes05/02/25 10:09:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:the human centipede04/02/25 13:02:00 Michael Robinson
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                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'02/02/25 19:24:00 Joy Skinner
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 13:24:00 Andrew Jones
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