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Topic: Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane
Posted by: Michael Robinson
Date/Time: 25/11/24 13:39:00

Francis, you must have been continually drunk over several days because you kept on defending your view that closing Rivercourt would somehow lead to more casualties at Chiswick Lane, it wasn't a one off post.

I've checked the collision data and since the upgraded C9 was fully opened in January 2023, there have been no cyclist collisions at the Dukes Ave or Chiswick Lane junctions (data goes up to 31 May 2024).

In 2023 Chiswick High Rd had the lowest overall numbers of traffic casualties for at least 12 years. Cycle numbers have increased substantially over this period so the overall rate in terms of casualties per cycle km or similar normalised measure will have reduced.

I'm not defending LBHF here:

a) they haven't implemented the designs for Rivercourt and Weltje as originally consulted upon in 2017. What is there at the moment is akin to the temporary cycle lane along CHR prior to the upgrades during 2022.

b) while implementing better designs would undoubtedly improve the junctions, ultimately there is still too much traffic crossing the cycle lane at those junctions.

Signalising them in the manner of Chiswick Lane and Dukes Ave is probably impractical so that means restricting the volume of traffic.  LBHF have taken the first step with Rivercourt.  The next step will be Weltje. They will have taken far too much time to address the issue but they will get there eventually.

For the "cycle lane should be on the A4" advocates, exactly the same issue would exist at the junctions of the A4 and these roads, except worse as vehicles are travelling faster when turning off the A4.  However numbers cycling on the A4 are tiny compared to the A315 so the safety issues at the A4 junctions with Rivercourt and Weltje is not apparent through casualties there,

LBHF and TfL engineers know full well how to achieve the safest implementation.  Delay and watering down designs is to appease car drivers.


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Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 07:07:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 16:22:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 16:35:00 Jeremy Parkinson
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 16:42:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:07:00 N V Brooks
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:10:00 Justin Stephenson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:29:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:33:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:30:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:48:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 15:36:00 Una-Jane Winfield
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:53:00 Edward Kent
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 19:20:00 Una-Jane Winfield
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 19:20:00 Una-Jane Winfield
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 16:21:00 Elizabeth Price
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 16:59:00 Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:10:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:25:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 08:41:00 Michael Good
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 09:21:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 10:40:00 Mark Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 02:16:00 Andrew Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 08:56:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 13:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:23:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:29:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 03:01:00 Andrew Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 06:20:00 Paul Campbell
         Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane25/11/24 10:16:00 Francis Rowe
            Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane25/11/24 13:39:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 09:34:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 10:27:00 Tom Pike
                     Reply26/11/24 10:38:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 10:44:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 20:15:00 Justin Stephenson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 20:38:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 08:26:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 10:05:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 11:27:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 12:05:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:19:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 12:59:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:12:00 Michael Good
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 14:13:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 22:30:00 Michael Good
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 22:35:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Reply28/11/24 09:30:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Re:Reply28/11/24 10:22:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Reply28/11/24 23:32:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:59:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 14:36:00 Francis Rowe
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 15:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 08:31:00 Francis Rowe
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 09:48:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 18:26:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:29:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 16:58:00 John Southey
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:42:00 Russell Pearson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:54:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 15:14:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 15:32:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 16:05:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 14:55:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 15:15:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 16:05:00 Mark Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 16:16:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 10:40:00 Mark Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 10:48:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 12:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 12:35:00 Andrew Jones
                                          Reply02/12/24 13:15:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Reply02/12/24 15:15:00 Mark Evans
                                                Re:Re:Reply03/12/24 09:57:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Reply03/12/24 10:03:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 10:05:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 11:36:00 Paul Campbell
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply05/12/24 10:25:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply05/12/24 10:46:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:39:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:47:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:50:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions28/11/24 19:14:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions05/12/24 11:52:00 Peter Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions05/12/24 12:21:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 06:51:00 Francis Rowe
                                 Reply11/12/24 10:33:00 Michael Good
                                    Re:Reply11/12/24 11:45:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Reply11/12/24 11:51:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re:Reply11/12/24 12:12:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 16:35:00 Nik Solomon
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 17:35:00 Andrew Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 22:29:00 Andrew Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions13/12/24 07:28:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions16/12/24 16:42:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 17:05:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 17:27:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:00:00 Robert Dawbarn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:05:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 13:14:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 21:12:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 09:23:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:01:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 17:33:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 19:29:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 19:53:00 David Turner
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 10:44:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 10:56:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 13:56:00 Andrew Jones
                                    Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 14:02:00 Maggie Dodge
                                       Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 17:32:00 Peter Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 17:40:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully22/12/24 19:29:00 Michael Brown
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 07:34:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 07:41:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 23:51:00 Mark Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully24/12/24 07:05:00 Paul Campbell
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully14/01/25 15:36:00 Mark Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully14/01/25 23:40:00 Madeleine Hazard
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 12:38:00 Tim Janman
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 13:06:00 Mark Talbot
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 13:10:00 Julia Fresney
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/01/25 09:14:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 08:30:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 08:30:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 11:32:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/01/25 11:17:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/01/25 11:48:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions22/01/25 09:34:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions22/01/25 10:15:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Reply23/01/25 09:15:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Reply23/01/25 10:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Reply23/01/25 11:53:00 Francis Rowe
                                          Re:Reply23/01/25 13:13:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re:Reply23/01/25 13:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:00:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Reply23/01/25 15:11:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:21:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                      Re:Re:23/01/25 15:25:00 Michael Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:42:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                            Reply24/01/25 10:45:00 Mark Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes24/01/25 11:12:00 Steve Taylor
                                                               'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 09:35:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                  Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 09:44:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 10:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 11:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 13:48:00 Mark Talbot
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 14:08:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 15:12:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 16:24:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'28/01/25 08:38:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'28/01/25 09:37:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'30/01/25 08:37:00 Mark Evans
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'30/01/25 09:57:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 14:48:00 Mark Evans
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 15:35:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 18:14:00 David Turner
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'01/02/25 10:34:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'02/02/25 14:01:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 09:28:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 11:11:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                                     Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes03/02/25 13:45:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes04/02/25 11:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes04/02/25 12:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes05/02/25 09:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re: human centipedes05/02/25 10:09:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:the human centipede04/02/25 13:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'01/02/25 16:14:00 Andrew Jones
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                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 13:24:00 Andrew Jones
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