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Topic: Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 26/11/24 09:34:00

While I don't deny liking the odd tipple, it has been a long time since I have been on a multiple day bender.

If I have said that the Rivercourt Road closure will categorically result in more casualties at Chiswick Lane and Dukes Avenue then I misspoke. What will definitely happen is that the risk of collisions happening will increase as more vehicles will be crossing junctions at these points. Less serious collisions and near misses are happening all the time.

Chiswick High Road had the lowest number of traffic casualties for 12 years because it had the lowest number of motor vehicles (excluding Covid affected years) using it since the Department for Transport began collecting records in  2000.  This shows that they have fallen from over 20,000 to 12,984.

These numbers also show that the number of pedal cycles on the central section of Chiswick High Road fell from 2020 to 2023 which will also explain reduced collisions.

As these trends don't match the rest of London it has to be assumed that the layout changes introduced by the Cycleway and the resulting capacity reductions caused by lane reductions and traffic light phase changes have caused additional congestion encouraging drivers to seek other routes or possibly some of these journeys 'evaporated'.

https://roadtraffic.dft.gov.uk/manualcountpoints/16867

When dealing with matters of risk it isn't right to use narrowed definitions to try and make your case. The serious collision at the Chiswick Lane junction took place in 2022 when to all intents and purposes, the cycleway was fully operational. The recent one at Dukes Avenue involved a scooter. The point is that collisions have happened and more are likely to occur if more vehicles are using these junctions.

While it can't be absolutely stated that C9 hasn't made Chiswick High Road safer, clearly the main reason for fewer collisions is fewer motor vehicles. Unfortunately this hasn't worked in the King Street section where, despite there also being fewer vehicles collisions have risen.

For that reason, it is hard to argue against H&F Council wanting to tackle the collision black spots in their borough. It may also be true that by transferring traffic flow across signalised junctions in Hounslow Borough on Chiswick High Road, overall risk is lowered but what can't be denied is that this restriction moves risk in our direction.

When concerns were raised about the cycleway particularly regarding crossover points on a bi-directional route, you dismissed the risk and you were wrong. You are dismissing this risk now and I hope you are not wrong again but your track record does not fill me with confidence.


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Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 07:07:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 16:22:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 16:35:00 Jeremy Parkinson
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 16:42:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:07:00 N V Brooks
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:10:00 Justin Stephenson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:29:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:33:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:30:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/11/24 17:48:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 15:36:00 Una-Jane Winfield
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:53:00 Edward Kent
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 19:20:00 Una-Jane Winfield
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 19:20:00 Una-Jane Winfield
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 16:21:00 Elizabeth Price
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 16:59:00 Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:10:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions24/11/24 17:25:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 08:41:00 Michael Good
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 09:21:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 10:40:00 Mark Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 02:16:00 Andrew Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 08:56:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 13:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:23:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:29:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 03:01:00 Andrew Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 06:20:00 Paul Campbell
         Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane25/11/24 10:16:00 Francis Rowe
            Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane25/11/24 13:39:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 09:34:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 10:27:00 Tom Pike
                     Reply26/11/24 10:38:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 10:44:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 20:15:00 Justin Stephenson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane26/11/24 20:38:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 08:26:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 10:05:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 11:27:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 12:05:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:19:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 12:59:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:12:00 Michael Good
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 14:13:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 22:30:00 Michael Good
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 22:35:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Reply28/11/24 09:30:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Re:Reply28/11/24 10:22:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Reply28/11/24 23:32:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 09:59:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 14:36:00 Francis Rowe
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/11/24 15:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 08:31:00 Francis Rowe
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 09:48:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply30/11/24 18:26:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Increased casualties at Chiswick Lane27/11/24 13:29:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions25/11/24 16:58:00 John Southey
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:42:00 Russell Pearson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 14:54:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 15:14:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 15:32:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions26/11/24 16:05:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 14:55:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 15:15:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 16:05:00 Mark Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 16:16:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 10:40:00 Mark Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 10:48:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 12:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions02/12/24 12:35:00 Andrew Jones
                                          Reply02/12/24 13:15:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Reply02/12/24 15:15:00 Mark Evans
                                                Re:Re:Reply03/12/24 09:57:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Reply03/12/24 10:03:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 10:05:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 11:36:00 Paul Campbell
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply04/12/24 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply05/12/24 10:25:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply05/12/24 10:46:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:39:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:47:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions27/11/24 20:50:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions28/11/24 19:14:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions05/12/24 11:52:00 Peter Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions05/12/24 12:21:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 06:51:00 Francis Rowe
                                 Reply11/12/24 10:33:00 Michael Good
                                    Re:Reply11/12/24 11:45:00 Paul Campbell
                                    Re:Reply11/12/24 11:51:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re:Reply11/12/24 12:12:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 16:35:00 Nik Solomon
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 17:35:00 Andrew Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions11/12/24 22:29:00 Andrew Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions13/12/24 07:28:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions16/12/24 16:42:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 17:05:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 17:27:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:00:00 Robert Dawbarn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:05:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 13:14:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/12/24 21:12:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 09:23:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 10:01:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 17:33:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 19:29:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions18/12/24 19:53:00 David Turner
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 10:44:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 10:56:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions20/12/24 13:56:00 Andrew Jones
                                    Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 14:02:00 Maggie Dodge
                                       Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 17:32:00 Peter Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully20/12/24 17:40:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully22/12/24 19:29:00 Michael Brown
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 07:34:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 07:41:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully23/12/24 23:51:00 Mark Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully24/12/24 07:05:00 Paul Campbell
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully14/01/25 15:36:00 Mark Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Victory and a precedent hopefully14/01/25 23:40:00 Madeleine Hazard
   Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 12:38:00 Tim Janman
      Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 13:06:00 Mark Talbot
         Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions15/01/25 13:10:00 Julia Fresney
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions17/01/25 09:14:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 08:30:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 08:30:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions19/01/25 11:32:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/01/25 11:17:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions21/01/25 11:48:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions22/01/25 09:34:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rivercourt Road restrictions22/01/25 10:15:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Reply23/01/25 09:15:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Reply23/01/25 10:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Reply23/01/25 11:53:00 Francis Rowe
                                          Re:Reply23/01/25 13:13:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re:Reply23/01/25 13:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:00:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Reply23/01/25 15:11:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:21:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                      Re:Re:23/01/25 15:25:00 Michael Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes23/01/25 15:42:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                            Reply24/01/25 10:45:00 Mark Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes24/01/25 11:12:00 Steve Taylor
                                                               'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 09:35:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                  Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 09:44:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 10:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 11:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 13:48:00 Mark Talbot
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 14:08:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 15:12:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'27/01/25 16:24:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'28/01/25 08:38:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'28/01/25 09:37:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'30/01/25 08:37:00 Mark Evans
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'30/01/25 09:57:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 14:48:00 Mark Evans
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 15:35:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'31/01/25 18:14:00 David Turner
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'01/02/25 10:34:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'02/02/25 14:01:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 09:28:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 11:11:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                                     Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes03/02/25 13:45:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes04/02/25 11:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes04/02/25 12:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:XL Bully goes after human centipedes05/02/25 09:13:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re: human centipedes05/02/25 10:09:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:the human centipede04/02/25 13:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'01/02/25 16:14:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'02/02/25 19:24:00 Joy Skinner
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 13:24:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:'Out of borough commuters'03/02/25 16:00:00 Peter Evans

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