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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access
Posted by: Al Webber
Date/Time: 25/03/23 09:19:00

Things are changing though.  In the short term, 20mph speed limits are coming in all across London.

The big thing is longer term, when driverless cars arrive on the scene.  They will respect the rules of the road around cyclists.

With no driver to pay, an Uber will be half the price of what it is now.  For most people, owning your own car in London just won't make sense.  Once they are legal, they will proliferate very quickly, and become the majority of vehicles on London's roads.  Culture on the roads will change in the space of a few years.

Should we really be spending lots of money now on infrastructure that will be redundant in 10 or 15 years time.

The other thing is that a lot of streets in London are not wide enough for segregated lanes.  Cars and bikes will always have to co-exist in London.

The best way to make cyling safer is to go after bad drivers.  Get more traffic police out on the roads.  Let them keep the money from fines to fund the extra police officers.

One specific thing I would do is put police out on bikes in plain clothes with cameras, and equipment to measure the distance cars give when overtaking.  The fines from cars overtaking too closely would pay their wages for the day in less than half an hour.  Instant driving bans for anyone who leaves less than half the legal clearance would get a lot of bad drivers off of the road.  The Evening Standard reporting tens of thousands of fines and bans being issued per month would make car drivers a lot more careful about how they driver around cyclists.

Changing the culture on the roads will do far more good than segregating cyclists away.  The segregation appraoch is already leading to the "you don't belong on the roads" brigade getting louder and more vocal.


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Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 09:51:00 Mark Evans
   Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 10:44:00 Bill George
   Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 11:24:00 Michael Robinson
      Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 11:39:00 Mark Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 11:57:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 12:03:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 12:24:00 Mark Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 12:43:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 14:47:00 Francis Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:00:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:20:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:35:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:40:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:57:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 16:27:00 Francis Rowe
   Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 14:17:00 Nik Solomon
      Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:46:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 16:18:00 Michael Good
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 09:11:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 09:43:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 10:58:00 Bill George
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 11:49:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 12:15:00 Bill George
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 12:57:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 13:28:00 Bill George
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 13:52:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 14:41:00 Michael Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 15:33:00 Bill George
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 15:58:00 Paul Campbell
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 16:04:00 Michael Robinson
      Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 13:10:00 Karen Lang
         Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 13:45:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 14:13:00 Karen Lang
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 14:17:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 14:04:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 08:40:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 09:09:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 09:20:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 09:38:00 Francis Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 10:29:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 11:51:00 Michael Good
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 11:58:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 12:12:00 Michael Good
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 12:17:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 12:15:00 Bill George
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 12:28:00 Michael Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 13:35:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 14:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 15:20:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 16:00:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 11:34:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 16:56:00 Al Webber
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 16:57:00 Francis Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 18:02:00 Michael Robinson
                        maths mistake24/03/23 18:19:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:maths mistake24/03/23 21:15:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 19:44:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 20:41:00 Simon Hayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 21:25:00 Peter Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 07:58:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 09:19:00 Al Webber
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 15:31:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 09:18:00 Mark Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 13:28:00 Justin Stephenson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 15:25:00 Michael Robinson
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                                       Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 07:52:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:00:00 Michael Good
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:06:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:09:00 Michael Good
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:15:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:36:00 Michael Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:58:00 Francis Rowe
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 09:21:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:17:00 Bill George
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:41:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 10:41:00 Bill George
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 12:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:32:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 09:02:00 Tom Pike
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