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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 24/03/23 16:57:00

Tom, we are both hypothesising as neither of us are blessed with perfect foresight.

The lower rate of collisions on the Chiswick stretch of the cycleway could be related to it not being fully open for much of the period during which the Hammersmith section was suffering all these injuries so it would be better not to be complacent.

It could well be that the higher rate of serious injuries to cyclists in King Street could be down to local factors which will not be replicated in Chiswick but there is no reason to take it for granted.

If we assume that Weltje Road closes, then eastbound traffic on the A315 heading to the A4 will have three remaining options - SCR, Dukes Avenue and Chiswick Lane.

My concern would be that the preferred option of those with Waze/Google Maps and local knowledge would become Dukes Avenue because SCR has a short phase to get onto the A4 and Chiswick Lane requires you to progress further along CHR which can be very slow moving.

You tell us 500 vehicles an hour are turning into Weltje at peak times at the moment so it seems to me a reasonable estimate that 100 an hour would now start to use Dukes Avenue as an alternative. Not great news for residents but the main drawback is the elevated risk this presents at the junction with the High Road.

The light phase here, particularly for cyclists, is very long and not everyone has the patience to wait. I've seen a number of instances of a cyclist assuming an eastbound vehicle was continuing on straight and continuing on through a red phase. Fortunately the driver spotted them but, in one case it was quite close. I don't pass this junction every day and therefore it seems to be reasonable to assume that what I have witnessed is quite commonplace.

I may be wrong, you may be wrong. However, the pandemic is over and there is no need to make significant changes without proper research and consideration. Closing Weltje Road would have widespread impacts across this part of London on cyclists, buses and general traffic. Rather than we both speculating it would be good if some proper analysis was done before a decision was made preferably, as Jeremy suggests by an independent transport consultant, who would be briefed to represent the interests of all types of road users and residents of both the affected boroughs.


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Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 09:51:00 Mark Evans
   Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 10:44:00 Bill George
   Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 11:24:00 Michael Robinson
      Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 11:39:00 Mark Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 11:57:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 12:03:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 12:24:00 Mark Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 12:43:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 14:47:00 Francis Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:00:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:20:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:35:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:40:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:57:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 16:27:00 Francis Rowe
   Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 14:17:00 Nik Solomon
      Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 15:46:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access21/03/23 16:18:00 Michael Good
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 09:11:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 09:43:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 10:58:00 Bill George
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 11:49:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 12:15:00 Bill George
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 12:57:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 13:28:00 Bill George
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 13:52:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 14:41:00 Michael Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 15:33:00 Bill George
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 15:58:00 Paul Campbell
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 16:04:00 Michael Robinson
      Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 13:10:00 Karen Lang
         Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 13:45:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 14:13:00 Karen Lang
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 14:17:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access23/03/23 14:04:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 08:40:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 09:09:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 09:20:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 09:38:00 Francis Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 10:29:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 11:51:00 Michael Good
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 11:58:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 12:12:00 Michael Good
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 12:17:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 12:15:00 Bill George
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 12:28:00 Michael Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 13:35:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 14:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 15:20:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 16:00:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 11:34:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 16:56:00 Al Webber
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 16:57:00 Francis Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 18:02:00 Michael Robinson
                        maths mistake24/03/23 18:19:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:maths mistake24/03/23 21:15:00 Russell Pearson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 19:44:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 20:41:00 Simon Hayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access24/03/23 21:25:00 Peter Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 07:58:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 09:19:00 Al Webber
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 15:31:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 09:18:00 Mark Evans
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                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access25/03/23 15:25:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access26/03/23 09:57:00 Philippa Bond
                                    Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 06:54:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 07:52:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:00:00 Michael Good
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:06:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:09:00 Michael Good
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:15:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:36:00 Michael Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:58:00 Francis Rowe
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 09:21:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:17:00 Bill George
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:41:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 10:41:00 Bill George
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 12:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 08:32:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Closing Weltje Road/Rivercourt Road access27/03/23 09:02:00 Tom Pike
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