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Topic: Concern About the Invasion of Iraq
Posted by: David Giles
Date/Time: 21/05/07 15:37:00

Thank you Richard Jennings for reminding me about what I wrote on this Forum in 2002- 5 years ago. My views then are very similar to the views expressed by Sir Alan Munro in his address to Chiswick Churches Together for Justice and Peace at Christ Church Turnham Green last Wednesday 16th May 2007.

However Gordon Brown reiterated his support for the disasterous invasion and occupation of Iraq in Coventry this weekend.

Presumably his PPS, our local MP, Ann Keen, shares his views. So far as I know she has always voted for the War in Iraq but she has never defended her position in public in her own constituency. She did not attend last week's excellent public meeting on "Islam and the West's Response".

This is what I said nearly 5 years ago:

"Topic: Concern about the War     
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Posted by: David Giles
Date/Time: 06/09/02 14:26:00 

I think that there is widespread concern about the prospects of the USA and the UK waging a war against Iraq without the support of the UN,NATO,the EU, the international community and the vast majority of public opinion in the USA and the UK.

As stated by Iain Duncan Smith recently, Tony Blair has singularily failed to make the case for the UK to take part in a US-led atack on Iraq. We keep hearing about evidence that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction but so far the  the evidence has not been produced by either the US or the British Governments.

Having lived and worked in a number of Arab countries, I am very concerned about the reaction of the Arab world and the world's one billion Muslims to an attack on Iraq.

The Gulf War arose after Saddam Hussein attacked and invaded Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States. The Coalition led then by President George Bush had the support of the UN,NATO, the EU and the vast majority of Arab governments. There is no similar Coalition at present.

Although Saddam Hussein undoubtably is a murdering tyrant who represents a real threat to many countries, he has not in recent years actually attacked or invaded anyone - except his own people.

Consequently, rightly or wrongly, there is a lack of support in the Arab and Muslim worlds for military action against Iraq as it would be seen - not as an attack on a vile dictator who represents a threat to world peace and security - but as an attack on the Arab and Muslim people of Iraq who have suffered for many years as a result of Saddam Hussein's regime.

The situation is exacerbated because the Arab and Muslim world sees the USA as the main supporter and guarantor of the State of Israel. Although many Arabs are in general great admirers of the USA and there are now large numbers of people of Arab and Muslim descent living in the USA, the USA's support for Israel is always used by Saddam Hussein and other Arabs who are hostile to the USA whenever they want to stir up anti-US feelings and activities.

In my view, an attack against Iraq will lead to a vastly increased risk of terrorist attacks on US and British targets worldwide, a severe deterioration in relationships between the Arab world and the West and will place in jeopardy the lives and security of the hundreds of thousands of US and British citizens who live and work in  Arab and Muslim countries from Morocco in the West right through North Africa and the Middle East to Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia in South-East Asia.

I hope that a peaceful solution can be found before the situation deteriorates further. Let us hope that Saddam Hussein backs down or is deposed in the face of the US/UK threats and that UN weapons inspectors are allowed unrestricted access to Iraq so all chemical, biological or nuclear weapons are found and destroyed.

The people of Iraq deserve a better future than the tyranny, constant war, sanctions and suffering they have suffered for so many years under Saddam Hussein. The US and British Governments must do everything, short of war, to weaken and remove Saddam Hussein but they must not risk the fragile relationships and interdependence between the Arab and Muslim countries and the West.

In addition to my concern for US, British and other Westerners living in Arab and Muslim countries, I am also concerned about the lives of our servicemen and servicewomen who may be asked to fight and die in the war.The British Armed Forces are now much weaker than they were at the time of the Gulf War and their contribution to the war effort will be very small.

In my view the case for an attack on Iraq by the USA and the UK alone, without international support, has not been proven.On the contrary it could be a completely irresponsible misadventure which could lead to the unnecessary loss of huge numbers of Western and Iraqi lives and a poisoning of relationships between the West and the Arab and Muslim worlds for decades to come. "

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and nearly 150 British servicemen and women have lost their lives since.We have also had 7/7 and numerous terror threats and a great deterioration in relationships between the Arab and Islamic worlds and this country.



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      Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation18/05/07 11:12:00 Toby Lovern
         Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation23/05/07 12:46:00 Andrew Broadbent
   Re:A Stalinist Coronation17/05/07 09:54:00 Jonathan Bingham
      Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation17/05/07 10:36:00 Julia Blyth
         Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation17/05/07 11:48:00 Malcolm Peltu
            Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation17/05/07 12:15:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation17/05/07 12:43:00 Malcolm Peltu
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation17/05/07 14:17:00 Francis House
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation17/05/07 18:13:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation17/05/07 19:09:00 Matt Harmer
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation17/05/07 19:29:00 Steve Chilcott
                              A Stalinist Coronation will give us an unelected Socialist Prime Minister18/05/07 01:38:00 David Giles
                                 Re:A Stalinist Coronation will give us an unelected Socialist Prime Minister18/05/07 07:36:00 Viv Griffith
                                    Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation will give us an unelected Socialist Prime Minister18/05/07 10:19:00 Colin Jordan
                                    Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 10:33:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                       Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 10:47:00 Colin Murphy
                                          Re:Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 11:03:00 John Connelly
                                       Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 11:14:00 Toby Lovern
                                          Re:Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 11:33:00 Viv Griffith
                                             Re:Re:Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 11:36:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 12:14:00 Colin Jordan
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 12:58:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 13:00:00 Colin Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 12:25:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                                   National Debt18/05/07 12:43:00 Viv Griffith
                                                      Unemployment is increasing under Blair-Brown18/05/07 13:30:00 David Giles
                                                         do you work for the Mail19/05/07 16:51:00 Steve Chilcott
                                                      Re:National Debt18/05/07 14:50:00 David Fox
                                                         Let joy be unconfined18/05/07 14:54:00 Colin Murphy
                                                            Re:Let joy be unconfined18/05/07 15:04:00 Michael Daley
                                                               Re:Re:Let joy be unconfined - Blair to go on trial18/05/07 17:42:00 David Giles
                                                         Re:Re:National Debt18/05/07 16:06:00 Viv Griffith
                                                            Re:Re:Re:National Debt18/05/07 16:20:00 John Mc Cann
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:National Debt18/05/07 17:40:00 David Giles
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:National Debt18/05/07 18:49:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:National Debt18/05/07 18:06:00 David Fox
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:National Debt18/05/07 18:16:00 Viv Griffith
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:National Debt19/05/07 13:31:00 David Fox
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Giles says Brown is not like Stalin18/05/07 18:01:00 David Giles
                                                      No Mistake18/05/07 18:21:00 Jon Booth
                                                         Re:No Mistake18/05/07 21:47:00 Richard Jennings
                                                            Re:Re:Brown's Mistake(s)20/05/07 11:24:00 Joe Conneely
                                                               Grammar School U-Turn Outrageous20/05/07 11:32:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                                                  Re:Grammar School U-Turn Outrageous (not)20/05/07 21:26:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                     Re:Re:Grammar School U-Turn Outrageous (not)20/05/07 21:40:00 Brian Coyle
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Grammar School U-Turn Outrageous (not)27/05/07 20:17:00 David Giles
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Grammar School U-Turn Outrageous (not)27/05/07 23:43:00 John Connelly
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grammar School U-Turn Outrageous (not)28/05/07 00:15:00 Colin Murphy
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grammar School U-Turn Outrageous (not)06/06/07 23:35:00 David Giles
                                                         Re:No Mistake21/05/07 15:18:00 David Giles
                                                            Concern About the Invasion of Iraq21/05/07 15:37:00 David Giles
                                                               Re:Concern About the Invasion of Iraq21/05/07 15:53:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                                  Re:Re:Concern About the Invasion of Iraq21/05/07 18:05:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Concern About the Invasion of Iraq21/05/07 18:33:00 David Giles
                                                                        Re:Concern About the Invasion of Iraq & Tory Dissent22/05/07 07:16:00 Joe Conneely
                                                                           Re:Re:Concern About the Invasion of Iraq & Tory Dissent22/05/07 10:13:00 David Giles
                                                                              Re:Concern About the Invasion of Iraq & Tory Dissent22/05/07 13:04:00 Joe Conneely
                                                                                 Re:Re:Concern About the Invasion of Iraq & Tory Dissent23/05/07 17:30:00 David Giles
                                                                                    A young man in a geriatric ward29/05/07 11:01:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                                                       Re:A young man in a geriatric ward29/05/07 16:54:00 David Giles
                                                                                          Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward29/05/07 23:21:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward30/05/07 07:48:00 David Giles
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward31/05/07 07:52:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward01/06/07 08:48:00 David Giles
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward01/06/07 09:33:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward01/06/07 12:21:00 David Giles
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward01/06/07 12:33:00 antony obrien
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward01/06/07 13:13:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward01/06/07 19:22:00 David Giles
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward01/06/07 13:32:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward01/06/07 13:39:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward01/06/07 14:29:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A young man in a geriatric ward04/06/07 21:12:00 Tom Pike
   Re:A Stalinist Coronation29/05/07 19:30:00 Joe Conneely
      Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation29/05/07 21:22:00 Steve Chilcott
         Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation30/05/07 08:33:00 Peter John
            Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation30/05/07 13:48:00 David Giles
               A Blue Labour Coronation?30/05/07 14:01:00 Malcolm Peltu
                  Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?30/05/07 22:47:00 David Giles
                     Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?30/05/07 23:14:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 09:46:00 Malcolm Peltu
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 10:29:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 10:52:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 11:18:00 Jo Meaneaux
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 11:18:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 11:20:00 Jo Meaneaux
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 11:35:00 Jo Meaneaux
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 12:04:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 14:30:00 Jo Meaneaux
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?31/05/07 14:55:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?18/06/07 15:53:00 Ann S. Allridge
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Blue Labour Coronation?18/06/07 18:32:00 Ann S. Allridge
   Re:A Stalinist Coronation31/05/07 15:09:00 antony obrien
      Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation31/05/07 16:27:00 Philip Walsh
         Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation31/05/07 16:32:00 Will Watson
         Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation31/05/07 16:37:00 antony obrien
            Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation01/06/07 13:04:00 Philip Walsh
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation02/06/07 23:10:00 David Giles
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation03/06/07 11:42:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation04/06/07 14:02:00 Philip Walsh
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation04/06/07 17:10:00 David Giles
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation04/06/07 21:22:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation04/06/07 22:32:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation05/06/07 14:58:00 David Giles
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation05/06/07 15:14:00 antony obrien
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation05/06/07 15:26:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation05/06/07 15:33:00 antony obrien
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation05/06/07 17:43:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections05/06/07 20:01:00 David Giles
                                             Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections07/06/07 08:30:00 Colin Jordan
                                                Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections07/06/07 12:42:00 Philip Walsh
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections13/06/07 11:07:00 Philip Walsh
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections13/06/07 11:43:00 Account suspended
                                                      What Lord Turnbull said about Gordon Brown13/06/07 12:22:00 David Giles
                                                         Re:What Lord Turnbull said about Gordon Brown in His Financial Times interview13/06/07 12:32:00 David Giles
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections15/06/07 11:48:00 Philip Walsh
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections15/06/07 17:07:00 David Giles
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections18/06/07 14:26:00 Philip Walsh
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections18/06/07 18:21:00 David Giles
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections18/06/07 18:33:00 Will Watson
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections18/06/07 23:00:00 Michael Daley
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen's Expenses and Connections19/06/07 12:13:00 Philip Walsh
                                                                     Margaret Thatcher' s responsibility for the Falklands War.21/06/07 20:40:00 David Giles
                                                                        Re:Margaret Thatcher' s responsibility for the Falklands War.21/06/07 21:52:00 John Mc Cann
         Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation18/06/07 18:30:00 Ann S. Allridge
            Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation22/06/07 12:53:00 Philip Walsh
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation22/06/07 14:17:00 Michael Porter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Stalinist Coronation23/06/07 13:43:00 Philip Walsh
                     Re:The assets of the nation23/06/07 14:48:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:The assets of the nation25/06/07 13:55:00 Philip Walsh
                           We have had the Coronation of Gordon Brown25/06/07 14:43:00 David Giles
                              Re:We have had the Coronation of Gordon Brown25/06/07 17:36:00 John Connelly
                                 Re:Re:We have had the Coronation of Gordon Brown25/06/07 20:10:00 David Giles
                           Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation25/06/07 17:53:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation26/06/07 13:14:00 Philip Walsh
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation26/06/07 13:37:00 David Giles
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation26/06/07 13:47:00 Michael Porter
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation26/06/07 15:26:00 Philip Walsh
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation26/06/07 15:36:00 Michael Porter
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation26/06/07 14:34:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation26/06/07 15:16:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation26/06/07 16:03:00 Michael Porter
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation26/06/07 16:30:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation27/06/07 13:06:00 David Giles
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The assets of the nation27/06/07 18:41:00 Joe Conneely
   Conservative MP defects to Labour - he loves Gord!26/06/07 15:12:00 Will Watson
      Re:Conservative MP defects to Labour - he loves Gord!26/06/07 17:47:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Conservative MP defects to Labour - he loves Gord!26/06/07 18:01:00 Michael Porter
            Re:Re:Re:Conservative MP defects to Labour - he loves Gord!26/06/07 18:20:00 Will Watson
               Good Riddance to Quentin Davies- he should now resign26/06/07 19:26:00 David Giles
                  Re:Good Riddance to Quentin Davies- he should now resign27/06/07 13:13:00 Will Watson
                     Re:Re:Good Riddance to Quentin Davies- he should now resign27/06/07 18:07:00 David Giles
                        Re:Re:Re:Good Riddance to Quentin Davies- he should now resign28/06/07 12:47:00 Philip Walsh
                  Re:Good Riddance to Quentin Davies- he should now resign28/06/07 12:58:00 antony obrien
            Re:Re:Re:Conservative MP defects to Labour - he loves Gord!28/06/07 12:42:00 Philip Walsh
               Re:Voting for 'A Party'28/06/07 13:04:00 Richard Greenhough
                  Re:Re:Voting for 'A Party'28/06/07 13:32:00 Will Watson
                     Re:Re:Re:Voting for 'A Party'28/06/07 17:28:00 David Giles
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Voting for 'A Party'28/06/07 20:14:00 Will Watson
   Ann Keen described as Browns 'Parlimentary bag carrier'28/06/07 17:52:00 Claudia Jachtmann
      Re:Ann Keen described as Browns 'Parlimentary bag carrier'29/06/07 00:07:00 David Giles
         Ann Keen dropped as Brown's 'Parlimentary bag carrier'29/06/07 11:16:00 David Giles

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