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Topic: LTNs and the definition of a residential road
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Posted by: Jeremy Parkinson
Date/Time: 27/12/22 11:39:00

The concept of a Low Traffic Neighbourhood is a good one. The places where people live need to be protected against traffic flows being redirected through them particularly with Sat Navs tending to push it through areas which don't normally receive a lot of traffic.

On the face of it this shouldn't be contentious but the developing problem with the schemes that have been implemented is - how are residential roads being defined. The LTN concept seems to assume that the definition of a residential road is not a road on which people live but a road where the primary purpose is housing and, if there is already a lot of traffic on the road, it is not being classed as residential.

This means effectively that traffic is being concentrated to protect the majority of people to the detriment of a minority who are unlucky enough to live on the roads to which the flow is being diverted.

The benefits of doing this for the people who live in the protected areas are clear and make a significant difference to their quality of life and, you could argue that the change for a person living on an already busy road will not be noticeable to them.

So we have seen roads such as Staveley Road and Fishers Lane made even  more pleasant while roads such as Burlington Lane, Acton Lane, Sutton Court Road and the A4 are busier.

We wouldn't normally consider the A4 as a residential road but lots of people do live next to it so, by the broadest definition it is.

What I'd like to have confirmed is - have the health implications of these policies been properly considered? By concentrating traffic, you also concentrate the harmful effects of the pollution it generates. Is it the case that these road restrictions would benefit health overall if they succeed in reducing pollution overall or does this concentration create acute conditions for people with respiratory illnesses? As air quality policies have tended to target exceedences at hotspots, the implication is that these are seen as the main risk for health.

Busier roads tend to be less expensive and have more social housing on them, so we really need to consider carefully if the net effect of these policies is just to improve the quality of life of a group of people who are already quite privileged at the cost of a serious deterioration of health for those who are already disadvantaged. As far as I can see, some quite impactful policies are being implemented without proper analysis being done on these considerations.


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LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 11:39:00 Jeremy Parkinson
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 14:23:00 Marie Power
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 16:34:00 Peter Evans
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 17:40:00 Jeremy Parkinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 21:03:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 00:01:00 Mark Talbot
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 08:15:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 08:48:00 Bill George
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 10:08:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:46:00 Bill George
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:01:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:19:00 Bill George
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:43:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:32:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:51:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:33:00 Mark Talbot
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:13:00 Tom Pike
   Reply28/12/22 12:49:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:14:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:47:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:28:00 Ed Saper
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:55:00 Tom Pike
               Reply28/12/22 15:01:00 Bruce Hammal
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 18:15:00 Simon Hayes
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 18:49:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:24:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:45:00 Russell Pearson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:57:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:18:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:19:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:29:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:32:00 Nick Jenkins
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:41:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 14:25:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:03:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:41:00 Julian Pavey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:56:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 14:11:00 Simon Hayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 15:38:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 20:45:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                 Reply30/12/22 22:02:00 John Hall
                                    Re:Reply30/12/22 22:45:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                       Re:Re:Reply31/12/22 10:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Reply31/12/22 11:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Reply03/01/23 09:26:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                             Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 10:17:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:10:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:47:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:24:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 14:14:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:16:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:53:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:08:00 Bill George
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 14:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:59:00 Michael Robinson
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 10:41:00 Jayne Thorburn
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 13:19:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 14:29:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:19:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:37:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:56:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 10:09:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 10:28:00 Jayne Thorburn
                           Re:  LTNs do not reduce pollution 04/01/23 12:36:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re:Re:  LTNs do not reduce pollution 04/01/23 13:44:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 16:21:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 16:43:00 Andrew Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 17:15:00 Simon Hayes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 18:32:00 Peter Evans
                                    Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes04/01/23 19:08:00 Richard Cathcart
                                       Re:Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes04/01/23 21:51:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re: Simon Hayes05/01/23 00:01:00 Richard Cathcart
                                             Re:Re: Simon Hayes05/01/23 07:10:00 Tom Pike
                                                LTNs work05/01/23 08:33:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re: Pike and Cathcart06/01/23 10:57:00 Simon Hayes
                                                   Re: Simon Hayes06/01/23 16:47:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                      Re:Re: Cathcart 06/01/23 17:59:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 15:45:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 16:28:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 16:42:00 Bill George
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Bill George and Tom Pike05/01/23 17:27:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 17:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 18:38:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 20:56:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 21:18:00 Paul Campbell
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 00:06:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 09:17:00 Paul Campbell
                                                                  Tom and Paul ❤️❤️06/01/23 20:07:00 Mark Talbot
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 23:54:00 Mark Talbot
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 00:11:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 19:58:00 Mark Talbot
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 08:04:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 08:23:00 Bill George
                                                                     Reply06/01/23 20:36:00 Tom Pike
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 20:37:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes05/01/23 09:15:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re.  Cathcart05/01/23 15:24:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 21:51:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 19:19:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 21:58:00 Simon Hayes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 23:24:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 22:20:00 Brian Green
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 22:38:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 11:34:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 13:17:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 16:34:00 Ed Saper
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 16:43:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   "All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 17:00:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                      Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 17:53:00 Simon Hayes
                                                         Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 20:45:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 20:57:00 Simon Hayes
                                                               Does the AA secretly run the Council?06/01/23 22:20:00 Ed Saper
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 22:33:00 Tom Pike

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