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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike.
Posted by: Tom Pike
Date/Time: 05/01/23 18:38:00

Traffic in London in 2021 was 9% below both 2017 and 2019 levels according to DfT traffic counts. The TfL figures also give exactly the same difference for 2021 as well as providing a figure for traffic for each day.

The actual traffic flows on these three roads was 14% lower averaging by road, and 19% lower on total traffic counts. That's very similar to the reduction seen for the boundary roads for both the Islington and Camden LTNs.

The Chiswick Bridge and A4 counts are from automatic counters that operate continuously, so the annual averages directly calculated by DfT can be compared to the average annual figures for London. Clearly both saw a larger drop in traffic than London as a whole, so there is no evidence of traffic being displaced by LTNs to these locations in Chiswick, rather the opposite in fact.

I noticed that Twickenham Road actually has automatic counts for 2020 as well as a manual count for May 20 2021. We can therefore directly compare the counts seen on Twickenham Road to the TfL average for 2020 and the traffic in London on the same day of the count in 2021 after the LTN was introduced.

The TfL figures give a 12% increase reflecting the return of traffic to London by May 2021 from the levels in 2020. The Twickenham Road figures give a 10% increase, so 2% less. That's too small to be confident that's a real reduction from the LTN, but by the same token it offers no support to any claim that the LTN displaced traffic to Twickenham Road. Introducing the LTN seems to have had no significant effect on traffic on this boundary road.

The claim that LTNs just displace traffic to the boundary roads seems to be more an article of faith than based on any evidence, and certainly that's the case for the three roads Steve chose that he rather hoped would prove his point.


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LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 11:39:00 Jeremy Parkinson
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 14:23:00 Marie Power
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 16:34:00 Peter Evans
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 17:40:00 Jeremy Parkinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 21:03:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 00:01:00 Mark Talbot
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 08:15:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 08:48:00 Bill George
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 10:08:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:46:00 Bill George
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:01:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:19:00 Bill George
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:43:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:32:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:51:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:33:00 Mark Talbot
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:13:00 Tom Pike
   Reply28/12/22 12:49:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:14:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:47:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:28:00 Ed Saper
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:55:00 Tom Pike
               Reply28/12/22 15:01:00 Bruce Hammal
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 18:15:00 Simon Hayes
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 18:49:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:24:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:45:00 Russell Pearson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:57:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:18:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:19:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:29:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:32:00 Nick Jenkins
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:41:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 14:25:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:03:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:41:00 Julian Pavey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:56:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 14:11:00 Simon Hayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 15:38:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 20:45:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                 Reply30/12/22 22:02:00 John Hall
                                    Re:Reply30/12/22 22:45:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                       Re:Re:Reply31/12/22 10:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Reply31/12/22 11:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Reply03/01/23 09:26:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                             Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 10:17:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:10:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:47:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:24:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 14:14:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:16:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:53:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:08:00 Bill George
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 14:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:59:00 Michael Robinson
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 10:41:00 Jayne Thorburn
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 13:19:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 14:29:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:19:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:37:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:56:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 10:09:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 10:28:00 Jayne Thorburn
                           Re:  LTNs do not reduce pollution 04/01/23 12:36:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re:Re:  LTNs do not reduce pollution 04/01/23 13:44:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 16:21:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 16:43:00 Andrew Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 17:15:00 Simon Hayes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 18:32:00 Peter Evans
                                    Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes04/01/23 19:08:00 Richard Cathcart
                                       Re:Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes04/01/23 21:51:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re: Simon Hayes05/01/23 00:01:00 Richard Cathcart
                                             Re:Re: Simon Hayes05/01/23 07:10:00 Tom Pike
                                                LTNs work05/01/23 08:33:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re: Pike and Cathcart06/01/23 10:57:00 Simon Hayes
                                                   Re: Simon Hayes06/01/23 16:47:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                      Re:Re: Cathcart 06/01/23 17:59:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 15:45:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 16:28:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 16:42:00 Bill George
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Bill George and Tom Pike05/01/23 17:27:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 17:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 18:38:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 20:56:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 21:18:00 Paul Campbell
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 00:06:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 09:17:00 Paul Campbell
                                                                  Tom and Paul ❤️❤️06/01/23 20:07:00 Mark Talbot
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 23:54:00 Mark Talbot
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 00:11:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 19:58:00 Mark Talbot
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 08:04:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 08:23:00 Bill George
                                                                     Reply06/01/23 20:36:00 Tom Pike
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 20:37:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes05/01/23 09:15:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re.  Cathcart05/01/23 15:24:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 21:51:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 19:19:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 21:58:00 Simon Hayes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 23:24:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 22:20:00 Brian Green
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 22:38:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 11:34:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 13:17:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 16:34:00 Ed Saper
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 16:43:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   "All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 17:00:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                      Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 17:53:00 Simon Hayes
                                                         Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 20:45:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 20:57:00 Simon Hayes
                                                               Does the AA secretly run the Council?06/01/23 22:20:00 Ed Saper
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 22:33:00 Tom Pike

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