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Topic: Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road
Posted by: Marie Power
Date/Time: 27/12/22 14:23:00

London Cycling Campaign's descriptors are interesting: "Low traffic neighbourhoods are groups of residential streets, bordered by main, or distributor, roads (the places where buses, lorries, and non-local traffic should be)."  No nod therefore to residential/non-residential.

Their position is that "cutting through-traffic on side streets doesn’t add significantly to congestion on main roads after the first few months."  They acknowledge that there might be CONCERN that increased congestion and pollution on main roads will happen but suggest that is all it is - concern not factual. Displaced traffic will evaporate.  They even put a figure on this "Around 15% of displaced traffic disappears from the area entirely as drivers adjust routes and behaviour". 

So how much longer must we wait for evaporation then?  It was only supposed to be a few months.  And what about the other 85% of displaced traffic?  Does that evaporate too after a while?  Waltham Forest (often quoted) may be a traffic nirvana but there are plenty of other areas in London that are really suffering.

I fear you are right, Jeremy, and that LTN theory is a zero-sum game.  Benefits for some (less traffic, cleaner air and all the health benefits which go with that) counterbalanced by disbenefits for others (increased traffic, congestion and pollution and all the health disbenefits which go with those).  And these inequalities will only become more pronounced with changes in property prices in the two types of area brought about by the perceived desirability of living in an LTN.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 11:39:00 Jeremy Parkinson
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 14:23:00 Marie Power
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 16:34:00 Peter Evans
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 17:40:00 Jeremy Parkinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 21:03:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 00:01:00 Mark Talbot
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 08:15:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 08:48:00 Bill George
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 10:08:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:46:00 Bill George
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:01:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:19:00 Bill George
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:43:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:32:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:51:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:33:00 Mark Talbot
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:13:00 Tom Pike
   Reply28/12/22 12:49:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:14:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:47:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:28:00 Ed Saper
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:55:00 Tom Pike
               Reply28/12/22 15:01:00 Bruce Hammal
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 18:15:00 Simon Hayes
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 18:49:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:24:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:45:00 Russell Pearson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:57:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:18:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:19:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:29:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:32:00 Nick Jenkins
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:41:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 14:25:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:03:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:41:00 Julian Pavey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:56:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 14:11:00 Simon Hayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 15:38:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 20:45:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                 Reply30/12/22 22:02:00 John Hall
                                    Re:Reply30/12/22 22:45:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                       Re:Re:Reply31/12/22 10:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Reply31/12/22 11:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Reply03/01/23 09:26:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                             Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 10:17:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:10:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:47:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:24:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 14:14:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:16:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:53:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:08:00 Bill George
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 14:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:59:00 Michael Robinson
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 10:41:00 Jayne Thorburn
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 13:19:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 14:29:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:19:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:37:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:56:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 10:09:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 10:28:00 Jayne Thorburn
                           Re:  LTNs do not reduce pollution 04/01/23 12:36:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re:Re:  LTNs do not reduce pollution 04/01/23 13:44:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 16:21:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 16:43:00 Andrew Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 17:15:00 Simon Hayes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 18:32:00 Peter Evans
                                    Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes04/01/23 19:08:00 Richard Cathcart
                                       Re:Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes04/01/23 21:51:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re: Simon Hayes05/01/23 00:01:00 Richard Cathcart
                                             Re:Re: Simon Hayes05/01/23 07:10:00 Tom Pike
                                                LTNs work05/01/23 08:33:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re: Pike and Cathcart06/01/23 10:57:00 Simon Hayes
                                                   Re: Simon Hayes06/01/23 16:47:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                      Re:Re: Cathcart 06/01/23 17:59:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 15:45:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 16:28:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 16:42:00 Bill George
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Bill George and Tom Pike05/01/23 17:27:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 17:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 18:38:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 20:56:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 21:18:00 Paul Campbell
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 00:06:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 09:17:00 Paul Campbell
                                                                  Tom and Paul ❤️❤️06/01/23 20:07:00 Mark Talbot
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 23:54:00 Mark Talbot
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 00:11:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 19:58:00 Mark Talbot
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 08:04:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 08:23:00 Bill George
                                                                     Reply06/01/23 20:36:00 Tom Pike
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 20:37:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes05/01/23 09:15:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re.  Cathcart05/01/23 15:24:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 21:51:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 19:19:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 21:58:00 Simon Hayes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 23:24:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 22:20:00 Brian Green
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 22:38:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 11:34:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 13:17:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 16:34:00 Ed Saper
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 16:43:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   "All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 17:00:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                      Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 17:53:00 Simon Hayes
                                                         Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 20:45:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 20:57:00 Simon Hayes
                                                               Does the AA secretly run the Council?06/01/23 22:20:00 Ed Saper
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 22:33:00 Tom Pike

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