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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road
Posted by: Bill George
Date/Time: 28/12/22 08:48:00

Tom, from what I can see the two dates for data in the Steer report coincided with significant COVID impacts. I posted this before but from memory on both occasions LHR traffic was at 10-20% of pre COVID levels. This is a broad indicator of the extent to which life was still disrupted. Its difficult if not impossible to make conclusions around 'normal' traffic patterns from those in the pandemic.

There may not have been an increase in traffic on South Parade though we have no recent post COVID data to confirm that, but peak queues back up Acton Lane towards the petrol station have increased. So more pollution here. But no monitors.

In some cases you are right that drivers chose this route as it was faster rather than more direct. Which tells us the most direct route, by larger roads, was already congested. So pushing more traffic there leads to more congestion.

We see how the GP restrictions have increased A316 traffic, I dont think anyone who uses these routes would deny that. In turn the Hogarth roundabout is becoming more congested, with longer queues on the A4 both in and out of London at peak times. The west end of Chiswick resembles a car park many evenings, as TFL manages the lights on SCR so that traffic backs up SCR to Heathfield Terrace, joined by traffic diverting off the eastbound A4 by the Porsche garage when confronted with the A4 queues. Traffic on CHR westbound to Chiswick roundabout is solid back past the Acton Lane junction. Many of the side roads off these roads also fill with queuing traffic. Again, no pollution monitors or cameras here.

One can sympathise with the goals of LTNs, but the refusal of advocates to acknowledge any downsides whilst somehow pretending traffic is not diverted and adds to congestion on other routes means it is hard to take them seriously. You will note that none of the vocal advocates live on any of the boundary of other larger roads that suffer....


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LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 11:39:00 Jeremy Parkinson
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 14:23:00 Marie Power
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 16:34:00 Peter Evans
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 17:40:00 Jeremy Parkinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road27/12/22 21:03:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 00:01:00 Mark Talbot
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 08:15:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 08:48:00 Bill George
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 10:08:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:46:00 Bill George
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:01:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:19:00 Bill George
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 12:43:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:32:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 11:51:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:33:00 Mark Talbot
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:13:00 Tom Pike
   Reply28/12/22 12:49:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:14:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 13:47:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:28:00 Ed Saper
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 14:55:00 Tom Pike
               Reply28/12/22 15:01:00 Bruce Hammal
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 18:15:00 Simon Hayes
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 18:49:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:24:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:45:00 Russell Pearson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 19:57:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:18:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:19:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:29:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:32:00 Nick Jenkins
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road28/12/22 20:41:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 14:25:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:03:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:41:00 Julian Pavey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road29/12/22 15:56:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 14:11:00 Simon Hayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 15:38:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road30/12/22 20:45:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                 Reply30/12/22 22:02:00 John Hall
                                    Re:Reply30/12/22 22:45:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                       Re:Re:Reply31/12/22 10:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Reply31/12/22 11:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Reply03/01/23 09:26:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                             Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 10:17:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:10:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:47:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:24:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 14:14:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:16:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 12:53:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:08:00 Bill George
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 14:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/01/23 13:59:00 Michael Robinson
   Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 10:41:00 Jayne Thorburn
      Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 13:19:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road03/01/23 14:29:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:19:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:37:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 08:56:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 10:09:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 10:28:00 Jayne Thorburn
                           Re:  LTNs do not reduce pollution 04/01/23 12:36:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re:Re:  LTNs do not reduce pollution 04/01/23 13:44:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 16:21:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 16:43:00 Andrew Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 17:15:00 Simon Hayes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 18:32:00 Peter Evans
                                    Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes04/01/23 19:08:00 Richard Cathcart
                                       Re:Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes04/01/23 21:51:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re: Simon Hayes05/01/23 00:01:00 Richard Cathcart
                                             Re:Re: Simon Hayes05/01/23 07:10:00 Tom Pike
                                                LTNs work05/01/23 08:33:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re: Pike and Cathcart06/01/23 10:57:00 Simon Hayes
                                                   Re: Simon Hayes06/01/23 16:47:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                      Re:Re: Cathcart 06/01/23 17:59:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 15:45:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 16:28:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart 05/01/23 16:42:00 Bill George
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Bill George and Tom Pike05/01/23 17:27:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 17:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 18:38:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 20:56:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 21:18:00 Paul Campbell
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 00:06:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 09:17:00 Paul Campbell
                                                                  Tom and Paul ❤️❤️06/01/23 20:07:00 Mark Talbot
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 05/01/23 23:54:00 Mark Talbot
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 00:11:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 19:58:00 Mark Talbot
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 08:04:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 08:23:00 Bill George
                                                                     Reply06/01/23 20:36:00 Tom Pike
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Tom Pike. 06/01/23 20:37:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re. Messrs. Tatylor, Jones & Hayes05/01/23 09:15:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re.  Cathcart05/01/23 15:24:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 21:51:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 19:19:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 21:58:00 Simon Hayes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 23:24:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 22:20:00 Brian Green
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road04/01/23 22:38:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 11:34:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 13:17:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 16:34:00 Ed Saper
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LTNs and the definition of a residential road06/01/23 16:43:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   "All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 17:00:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                      Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 17:53:00 Simon Hayes
                                                         Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 20:45:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 20:57:00 Simon Hayes
                                                               Does the AA secretly run the Council?06/01/23 22:20:00 Ed Saper
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:"All proper tea is theft!"06/01/23 22:33:00 Tom Pike

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