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Topic: Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green
Posted by: Richard Jennings
Date/Time: 15/02/20 19:21:00

Let me try to inject some facts into this discussion.  The signalling 'blocks' referred to in recent posts basically correspond to the signals that are placed by the tracks at intervals.  For example, on the eastbound Piccadilly at Turnham Green, a green signal at the east end of the platform gives the driver permission to proceed as far as the next signal which is just short of Stamford Brook station.  Between TG and Hammersmith there are about 9 signals (not counting repeaters), with the signals much closer together as you approach Hammersmith because that minimises any delay caused by a train ahead that is just departing the platform there.

The problem with Turnham Green is that the signalling was not designed to handle stopping trains at the full line frequency of 21 to 24 trains per hour (tph).  It could only handle 24 tph if every single train was on time to the second, and only stopped for 20 seconds, not a situation that is realistic.

If you want to run a service at 24 tph (1 train every 2.5 minutes) you need signalling that will cope with a train every 1.5 minutes, otherwise you can't recover from any slight deviation from the timetable.  In the tunnels through central London, the signalling does have that capability, but not at Turnham Green.

That means that Turnham Green would in practice become a bottleneck if all trains stopped there under the current signalling.  Any slight delay would be made worse, and the reliability of the service would suffer for all Piccadilly passengers.

There has also been reference in this thread to trains crawling slowly through Turnham Green.  That will only happen if there is congestion on the line.  In my experience some years ago that mainly happened on the westbound when drivers are being changed at Acton Town.  Although allowance is made in the timetable for this, it often didn't seem sufficient.  I haven't seen eastbound crawlers like that, but I'm not usually there in the morning peak.


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Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green06/02/20 18:02:00 Paul Corcoran
   Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green06/02/20 18:30:00 Alastair Banton
      Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green06/02/20 18:53:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green06/02/20 19:18:00 Gordon McDonald
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green07/02/20 12:36:00 Basil Finnis
         Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green06/02/20 19:21:00 Alastair Banton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green06/02/20 19:26:00 Alastair Banton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green06/02/20 21:47:00 Caroline Carrington
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green06/02/20 22:15:00 James Carter
                     PiccaDist06/02/20 22:59:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:PiccaDist07/02/20 11:33:00 Paul Corcoran
                           Re:Re:PiccaDist07/02/20 13:02:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:PiccaDist07/02/20 15:02:00 Al Webber
                              Re:Re:Re:PiccaDist07/02/20 15:36:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:PiccaDist07/02/20 15:05:00 Al Webber
                        Re:PiccaDist07/02/20 20:14:00 Claire Moran
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green07/02/20 22:43:00 Caroline Carrington
      Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green08/02/20 02:54:00 Joanna Biddolph
         Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green08/02/20 08:21:00 Alastair Banton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green08/02/20 10:26:00 Paul Corcoran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green08/02/20 13:22:00 Al Webber
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green08/02/20 14:17:00 Dan Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green08/02/20 14:39:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green08/02/20 14:18:00 Michael Robinson
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                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green08/02/20 15:35:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green09/02/20 22:26:00 Marlene Johnson
   Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green09/02/20 08:54:00 Graham Bird
      Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green09/02/20 11:53:00 Steve Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green09/02/20 15:27:00 Marlene Johnson
            Reply09/02/20 15:59:00 Carl Wynne
      Reply09/02/20 16:03:00 Carl Wynne
      Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green10/02/20 01:12:00 Peter Mielewczyk
         Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green10/02/20 08:48:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green10/02/20 08:50:00 Al Webber
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green10/02/20 10:02:00 Catherine Griffiths
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green11/02/20 08:22:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green11/02/20 19:48:00 Richard Jennings
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green12/02/20 08:04:00 Dan Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green12/02/20 10:18:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green12/02/20 10:36:00 Gordon McDonald
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green12/02/20 11:59:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green12/02/20 13:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green13/02/20 09:15:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green13/02/20 10:37:00 Michael Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green13/02/20 10:59:00 Al Webber
                                       Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green13/02/20 19:07:00 Richard Cathcart
                                          Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green13/02/20 19:19:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green14/02/20 14:49:00 Dan Evans
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green14/02/20 15:46:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green14/02/20 15:46:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green15/02/20 11:38:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green15/02/20 12:55:00 Michael Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green15/02/20 15:36:00 Francis Rowe
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green15/02/20 17:52:00 Michael Robinson
                                                               Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green15/02/20 19:21:00 Richard Jennings
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green15/02/20 18:19:00 Al Webber
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green16/02/20 16:46:00 Dan Evans
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Mike Brown's Longing for a Piccadilly Line Stop at Turnham Green16/02/20 17:22:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Reply17/02/20 15:14:00 Kevin Howard
                                                                        Re:Reply17/02/20 16:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Reply17/02/20 16:18:00 Kevin Howard
                                                                              Re:Reply17/02/20 19:12:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Reply17/02/20 19:56:00 Gordon McDonald
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply21/02/20 08:17:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/02/20 08:53:00 Al Webber
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/02/20 11:07:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/02/20 11:55:00 Al Webber
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/02/20 15:22:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/02/20 15:40:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/02/20 11:36:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/02/20 13:00:00 Dan Evans
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/02/20 14:13:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                Reply24/02/20 09:04:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                                   Re:Reply24/02/20 09:52:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                   Re:Reply24/02/20 09:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                                   Re:Reply24/02/20 10:07:00 Al Webber

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