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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 04/07/23 08:29:00

Tom, just to clarify footfall on the southside has always been lower and this is reflected in rents. All the main supermarkets are on the northside and so this is where people will head to and spend most of their time.

C9 has reinforced this difference. You are falling into the trap of relying on one piece of data to reach an unsound conclusion. It may will be the case that there has been no serious collision reported yet involving a pedestrian and a cyclist. Even if you don't believe that there will have been a number of less serious but not trivial collisions since the cycleway has been introduced, one thing that is undeniable is that it is a lot more stressful to cross Chiswick High Road and fewer people will be inclined to do so.

As an abled bodied former member of the Tufty Club who is more often than not sober still find getting across much more challenging than I used to. I've witnessed dozens of close shaves and myself have been narrowly missed while on a zebra crossing by someone on a large machine which was quite legitimately able to use the cycleway but would have seriously injured me if it had made contact.

At the same time the Cycleway has made it much more difficult to access the car park at Old Market Place. Rather than a very obvious entrance at the centre there is only a much more obscure access point which generally only people with local knowledge will be aware of.

You combine these factors and therefore the southside, which already had a significant disadvantage has been further hampered. Talk to businesses based in the area about what is happening. Covid and economic difficulties can make it difficult to see the underlying trend clearly but it is very evident.

Businesses like Ngon and Pot Pourri didn't move because of a single factor but due to the overarching reason that the location was becoming less attractive. The remaining businesses are finding it really tough and the only ones that are thriving are delivery enabled ones which have more moped riders than customers eating in. Another huge setback for the area is the design of the old people's home which has passed on the opportunity to reintroduce retail on the ground floor level.

As for the existing markets impact on this trend, it has to be said that it has been broadly good. Whether the people attending these markets are from outside the area or local people who for once are crossing the road doesn't really matter, for three days a month the southside is busy.

Some businesses, generally in hospitality, will benefit from this but others believe that the extra footfall does not compensate them for the loss of business from customers who would have used the car park. Overall the impact is positive but that doesn't mean there aren't winners and losers.

As for the Street Food market, the balance is quite different because the hospitality businesses won't benefit (based on what they are telling me). As far as I can see only Borough Kitchen has come out in support of the idea.

Something needs to be done to revitalise the southside of the High Road and markets can play a part in that but on their own they are insufficient. One change that might work is making the section of the Cycleway between TGT and Dukes Avenue a shared space with pedestrian priority reducing stress levels for people crossing the road and discouraging high speed travel through the area. 


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Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 10:47:00 Susan Engel
   Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 13:09:00 Alastair Banton
      Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:02:00 Susan Engel
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:14:00 Julian Pavey
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:14:00 Alastair Banton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:27:00 Alastair Banton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:42:00 Adrian Irving
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 18:50:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 19:19:00 Jayne Thorburn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 20:13:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 21:18:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 22:50:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 23:49:00 Andrew Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July24/06/23 06:37:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July24/06/23 07:14:00 Paul Campbell
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July24/06/23 08:41:00 Janice Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July24/06/23 08:55:00 Stewart Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July25/06/23 06:50:00 Adrian Irving
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July25/06/23 12:01:00 Janice Evans
   Write in support24/06/23 10:04:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Write in support24/06/23 14:53:00 Francis Rowe
         Re:Re:Write in support24/06/23 15:12:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 07:15:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 09:43:00 Julian Pavey
            Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 09:49:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 10:04:00 Julian Pavey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 10:11:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 10:22:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 10:20:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 12:44:00 Bernard Allen
                     Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market?26/06/23 10:31:00 Susan Engel
                        Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market?26/06/23 11:13:00 Paul Campbell
                           :Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market ?  No !26/06/23 18:08:00 Loraine Pemberton
                              Re::Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market ?  No !26/06/23 19:48:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re::Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market ?  No !26/06/23 20:19:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market?29/06/23 14:02:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 10:53:00 Bill George
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 11:15:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 11:17:00 Bill George
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 11:24:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 11:36:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 08:29:00 Francis Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 08:37:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 10:39:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 11:12:00 Bill George
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 13:56:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 15:17:00 Bill George
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 08:34:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 08:54:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 13:48:00 Francis Rowe
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 15:15:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 18:48:00 Tom Pike
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support07/07/23 08:26:00 Francis Rowe
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support07/07/23 08:46:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support07/07/23 08:50:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support12/07/23 13:53:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support12/07/23 15:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support12/07/23 15:45:00 Robert Fish
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support13/07/23 08:08:00 Anita Blake
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support13/07/23 08:26:00 Francis Rowe
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support13/07/23 08:54:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support13/07/23 12:22:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support14/07/23 08:02:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support14/07/23 08:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support14/07/23 09:10:00 Tom Pike
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support17/07/23 10:40:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                           Reply17/07/23 19:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Reply17/07/23 19:23:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                 Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 09:00:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 09:09:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 09:24:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                    Reply18/07/23 10:08:00 John Hall
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 10:48:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 11:37:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 12:54:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:DON'T write in support06/07/23 14:25:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                          Re:Re:DON'T write in support06/07/23 14:52:00 Adrian Irving
                                             Re:Re:Re:DON'T write in support13/07/23 14:44:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July26/06/23 12:18:00 Janice Evans
      Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July26/06/23 12:31:00 Jayne Thorburn
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July27/06/23 07:42:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July27/06/23 09:09:00 Maggie Dodge
   Environmental impact29/06/23 10:58:00 Colin Potter
      Re:Environmental impact29/06/23 12:18:00 Ed Saper
         Re:Re:Environmental impact29/06/23 23:10:00 Susan Engel
   Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July30/06/23 13:21:00 Liz de Keyser
      Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July30/06/23 13:49:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July30/06/23 15:40:00 Mitra Alam
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July01/07/23 08:32:00 Liz de Keyser
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July07/07/23 05:13:00 Mandy Waters
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July07/07/23 08:32:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July19/07/23 09:58:00 Sarah Watts
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 09:39:00 Karen Liebreich
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 09:42:00 Karen Liebreich
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 09:49:00 Mark Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 09:54:00 Sarah Watts
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 11:18:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 12:35:00 Michael Robinson

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