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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 06/07/23 08:34:00

Ultimately making a road more difficult to cross will mean fewer people will cross it. Shoppers tend to gravitate to the north side of the road because that is where the main supermarkets are and these days very few of us can afford to shop at Planet Organic.

The people doing business there (based on a number of conversations held over the last year) do not believe that there has been a compensating rise in customers arriving via the cycleway. Even on the most optimistic estimates of the increase in cyclists, once you have allowed for modal shift (i.e. people who would have come to the High Road anyway but have walked or driven) there isn't likely to have been a bike powered shopping boom.

The markets have been a positive for many businesses and have boosted footfall on the south side. How much of that is new people coming to the area and how much is people who were there anyway crossing the road is hard to tell but there is no doubt that trade is up for some (if not the majority) of businesses on market days. However, some are reporting trade being down as many of their customers came by car. This appears to be particularly pronounced for hardware businesses.

I don't want to overstate the role of C9 in the decline of the southside of the road. It already had inherent disadvantages such as no supermarkets, a north facing aspect which meant it is always in shade and narrow footways. However, the deterioration of the area does seem to be accelerating. It is a disaster that the new old people's home does not have retail at the ground floor and there will be a prolonged period in which much of the area becomes a building site. Once complete the hospitality businesses in the area, particularly the Fire Station will face a challenge to their existing licensing terms from any new residents that have retained their hearing.

That there aren't lots of vacant units along this stretch can be explained by landlords finally realising they need to be more flexible on rents and new businesses being give attractive first year terms to set up. However, we are slowly heading to the area being dominated not by shops but second rank estate agents and enablement centres for delivery businesses.

Markets can help arrest this decline to a certain extent but not a food market because that has a negative impact on the struggling hospitality businesses in the area - before anyone dismisses what I say, speak to the owners of local cafes and restaurants to hear their point of view.


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Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 10:47:00 Susan Engel
   Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 13:09:00 Alastair Banton
      Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:02:00 Susan Engel
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:14:00 Julian Pavey
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:14:00 Alastair Banton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:27:00 Alastair Banton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 14:42:00 Adrian Irving
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 18:50:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 19:19:00 Jayne Thorburn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 20:13:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 21:18:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 22:50:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July23/06/23 23:49:00 Andrew Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July24/06/23 06:37:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July24/06/23 07:14:00 Paul Campbell
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July24/06/23 08:41:00 Janice Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July24/06/23 08:55:00 Stewart Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July25/06/23 06:50:00 Adrian Irving
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July25/06/23 12:01:00 Janice Evans
   Write in support24/06/23 10:04:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Write in support24/06/23 14:53:00 Francis Rowe
         Re:Re:Write in support24/06/23 15:12:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 07:15:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 09:43:00 Julian Pavey
            Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 09:49:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 10:04:00 Julian Pavey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 10:11:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 10:22:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 10:20:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support25/06/23 12:44:00 Bernard Allen
                     Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market?26/06/23 10:31:00 Susan Engel
                        Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market?26/06/23 11:13:00 Paul Campbell
                           :Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market ?  No !26/06/23 18:08:00 Loraine Pemberton
                              Re::Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market ?  No !26/06/23 19:48:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re::Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market ?  No !26/06/23 20:19:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Do people really want a "fast" sorry - ''street" food market?29/06/23 14:02:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 10:53:00 Bill George
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 11:15:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 11:17:00 Bill George
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 11:24:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support26/06/23 11:36:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 08:29:00 Francis Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 08:37:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 10:39:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 11:12:00 Bill George
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 13:56:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support04/07/23 15:17:00 Bill George
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 08:34:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 08:54:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 13:48:00 Francis Rowe
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 15:15:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support06/07/23 18:48:00 Tom Pike
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support07/07/23 08:26:00 Francis Rowe
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support07/07/23 08:46:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support07/07/23 08:50:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support12/07/23 13:53:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support12/07/23 15:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support12/07/23 15:45:00 Robert Fish
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support13/07/23 08:08:00 Anita Blake
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support13/07/23 08:26:00 Francis Rowe
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support13/07/23 08:54:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support13/07/23 12:22:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support14/07/23 08:02:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support14/07/23 08:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support14/07/23 09:10:00 Tom Pike
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Write in support17/07/23 10:40:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                           Reply17/07/23 19:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Reply17/07/23 19:23:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                 Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 09:00:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 09:09:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 09:24:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                    Reply18/07/23 10:08:00 John Hall
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 10:48:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 11:37:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/07/23 12:54:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:DON'T write in support06/07/23 14:25:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                          Re:Re:DON'T write in support06/07/23 14:52:00 Adrian Irving
                                             Re:Re:Re:DON'T write in support13/07/23 14:44:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July26/06/23 12:18:00 Janice Evans
      Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July26/06/23 12:31:00 Jayne Thorburn
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July27/06/23 07:42:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July27/06/23 09:09:00 Maggie Dodge
   Environmental impact29/06/23 10:58:00 Colin Potter
      Re:Environmental impact29/06/23 12:18:00 Ed Saper
         Re:Re:Environmental impact29/06/23 23:10:00 Susan Engel
   Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July30/06/23 13:21:00 Liz de Keyser
      Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July30/06/23 13:49:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July30/06/23 15:40:00 Mitra Alam
         Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July01/07/23 08:32:00 Liz de Keyser
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July07/07/23 05:13:00 Mandy Waters
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July07/07/23 08:32:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July19/07/23 09:58:00 Sarah Watts
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 09:39:00 Karen Liebreich
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 09:42:00 Karen Liebreich
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 09:49:00 Mark Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 09:54:00 Sarah Watts
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 11:18:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Streetfood Market has reapplied - representations due by 2nd July20/07/23 12:35:00 Michael Robinson

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