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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe
Posted by: Alan Duffy
Date/Time: 30/05/07 09:58:00

I don't intend to patronise but obviously if someone fails to understand your point initially you have to explain it again more simply.

Obviously I wasn't comparing Julie Matcham to a balaclava wearing provo or a bowler hatted Orangeman. The point was that her rhetorical style (and less so Lucille Grant's) and total inability to see another point of view were reminiscent of the way these people operate. The casually offensive use of provocative terminology and phrase combined with the mouthing of platitudes are common to both.

She says "I don't go around trying to convince people of my views on religion knowing I may offend". Trying to read through the mangled sentence structure I presume she is telling us it isn't her intention to offend people. This either means she does really understand the real meaning of the phrase 'brain-washing' or she is being duplicitous. This is obviously a deeply offensive term to use not just to parents and teachers but also the children themselves. To any one with a basic understanding of children the idea that you can brainwash the current generation is laughable. They are subject to so many different streams of information that to try and make them think in a particular way is impossible.

I've outlined my personal experience in this regard and yet she continues with this mantra. Like the Orangeman and the Provo the mind closes when prejudices are challenged.

The apparently rational question about telling little children unproven stories is laden with dangerous possibilites. Parents tell their children what they believe and although this may not be your truth or mine it would be an abomination if we tried to interfere in the passing on of belief and values between generations. For people with religious faith there is no clear divide between their belief and their values so to say that the state should take responsibility for one and parents for the other reflects a fundamental misunderstanding.

Perhaps the best way to make you understand this point is to turn the tables and ask how would we feel if the Church said that we were brainwashing our kids with our faithless ideas and they should take responsibility for their education to protect them.


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Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe17/05/07 21:39:00 Stine Madsen
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe17/05/07 21:51:00 Richard Jennings
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe17/05/07 23:03:00 Stine Madsen
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 08:29:00 Sean Hodges
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 15:52:00 Beth Hamer
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 08:43:00 Mick Hogan
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 08:57:00 Sean Hodges
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 12:05:00 Craig Fordham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 15:59:00 Sean Hodges
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 16:05:00 Beth Hamer
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 16:12:00 Sean Hodges
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 16:19:00 Beth Hamer
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 19:02:00 Roland Gilmore
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 19:31:00 Stine Madsen
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 21:00:00 Roland Gilmore
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 12:57:00 Peter Bullock
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 08:57:00 Sean Hodges
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 15:17:00 Roland Gilmore
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 15:59:00 Sean Hodges
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 19:41:00 Julia Matcham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 22:31:00 Helen Passey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 02:20:00 Roland Gilmore
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 08:27:00 Helen Passey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 09:39:00 Roland Gilmore
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 19:53:00 Julia Matcham
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 20:47:00 Peter Bullock
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 21:19:00 Julia Matcham
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 23:36:00 Roland Gilmore
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 00:30:00 Martin Hime
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 07:51:00 Roland Gilmore
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 11:18:00 Julia Matcham
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 16:13:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 20:38:00 Stine Madsen
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 20:59:00 Alan Duffy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 22:37:00 Martin Hime
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 01:13:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 11:17:00 Julia Matcham
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 11:34:00 Sean Hodges
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 12:19:00 Gillian Evans
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 13:48:00 Julia Matcham
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 16:13:00 Sean Hodges
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 18:16:00 Julia Matcham
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 18:18:00 Lucille Grant
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 18:58:00 Alan Duffy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 21:30:00 Lucille Grant
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 21:55:00 Martin Hime
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe22/05/07 09:11:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural C22/05/07 11:19:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural C22/05/07 11:36:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Nat22/05/07 11:39:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Nat22/05/07 11:56:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at t22/05/07 12:17:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at t22/05/07 12:25:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meeting22/05/07 12:52:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meeting22/05/07 14:15:00 Dan Evans
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 22:39:00 Martin Hime
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 22:41:00 Martin Hime
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 09:06:00 Alan Duffy
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 09:19:00 Sean Hodges
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 09:29:00 Alan Duffy
   Re:Religious meetings elsewhere21/05/07 22:30:00 Stephen Williamson
      Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere22/05/07 00:15:00 Roland Gilmore
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere22/05/07 19:37:00 Martin Hime
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere22/05/07 20:59:00 Stephen Williamson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere23/05/07 16:49:00 Julia Matcham
               Meetings at Brandlehow School23/05/07 22:44:00 Alan Duffy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere23/05/07 17:17:00 Peter Tuppen
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere23/05/07 18:27:00 Julia Matcham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere23/05/07 18:32:00 Lucille Grant
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 00:08:00 Martin Hime
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 00:28:00 Leslie McDonnell
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 08:43:00 David Barron
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 08:57:00 Mick Hogan
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 08:54:00 Sean Hodges
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 09:51:00 Craig Fordham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 11:56:00 K Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 23:40:00 Roland Gilmore
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 07:57:00 Lucille Grant
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 08:09:00 Leslie McDonnell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 08:50:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 08:59:00 Sean Hodges
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 09:18:00 Gillian Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 09:30:00 Craig Fordham
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 09:32:00 Sean Hodges
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 10:30:00 Gillian Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 10:42:00 Sean Hodges
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 11:05:00 Gillian Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 14:05:00 Lucille Grant
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 14:23:00 Craig Fordham
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 15:07:00 Mick Hogan
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 15:33:00 Sean Hodges
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 15:35:00 Lucille Grant
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 16:07:00 Craig Fordham
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 16:34:00 Mick Hogan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 11:07:00 Julia Matcham
                                       It seems I am going to Hell25/05/07 17:02:00 Sean Hodges
                                          Re:It seems I am going to Hell25/05/07 17:32:00 Julia Matcham
                                          Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 00:29:00 Michael Ixer
                                             Re:Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 09:03:00 Lucille Grant
                                                Re:Re:Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 17:25:00 Martin Hime
                                             Re:Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 13:07:00 Helen Passey
                                                Re:Re:Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 16:29:00 Lucille Grant
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe26/05/07 20:30:00 Roland Gilmore
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe26/05/07 22:58:00 Martin Hime
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe27/05/07 11:09:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe27/05/07 14:36:00 Julia Matcham
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 13:47:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 15:57:00 Julia Matcham
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 17:40:00 Martin Hime
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 18:26:00 Alan Duffy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 19:40:00 Julia Matcham
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 23:27:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe29/05/07 11:19:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe29/05/07 12:59:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe29/05/07 14:28:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe29/05/07 19:29:00 Julia Matcham
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 09:58:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 10:01:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 11:20:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 12:27:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 14:22:00 Julia Matcham
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 18:01:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 00:57:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 09:36:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 09:08:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 16:07:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 19:50:00 Martin Hime
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 22:44:00 Martin Hime
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe01/06/07 08:47:00 Paul Corcoran
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe03/06/07 16:17:00 Roland Gilmore
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe07/06/07 13:00:00 Robert Mulholland

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