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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe
Posted by: Alan Duffy
Date/Time: 28/05/07 18:26:00

Julie Matcham said 'I'm not against people's beliefs but against the teaching of fiction as truth.'

I'm sure she wasn't intending to be funny but I did laugh when I read this as it smacked so much of the deluded self-justification that came from both sides in Northern Ireland. What she doesn't realise is how much she has in common with the people who did so much to stir up trouble there for so long.

The use of provocative language on a sensitive subject was always designed to raise the temperature. Describing people's beliefs as fiction (and therefore by implication your views as the truth) was always the act of the hardline extremist whether they were talking about political or religious matters. She also earlier in the thread was banging on about 'brain-washing' in faith schools. As she didn't reveal any direct experience I presume this is based on prejudice rather than knowledge.

As a product of a 'faith' school who emerged with no faith I am proof at least that the regime is ineffective. In fact the reality is, even a few decades ago, there was no brainwashing. I would say that at least half of my contemporaries left school with no belief. The interesting thing is that most seem to have returned to the Church in later life. I found the teaching of religion at school interesting and enjoyable and my lack of faith was not a reaction to being browbeaten. I told my teachers at the time and they respected my views and I remain friends with some until this day. If there was any brainwashing it was the way in which a strong moral code suffused most activities of the school. A clear sense of right and wrong and personal integrity. Although I have no Christian belief, the Christian morality I was taught has continued to be a guide in life. I would quite happily send my children to a faith school although as neither my wife nor I attend Church so we would not get a place locally. I do feel that other state schools suffer from this lack of a single guiding ethos. It is confusing for children to be taught a kind of moral relativism at a young age.

The animosity that faith schools seem to engender in this country seems hard to explain. There is no evidence that they cause divisiveness in fact Trevor Phillips the head of the Commission for Racial Equality recently said the broader catchment areas of faith schools were essential to avoid racial ghettoisation. His argument was that if school places are given out solely based on a narrow geographic catchment area then pretty quickly white people move out of areas with large ethnic minority populations because they don't want their children going to schools where they themselves are in the minority.

As there is little real evidence for them causing division league table envy must be an explanation for the animosity. Northern Ireland which has the highest proportion of faith schools also gets the best results. I would put this down to a broader involvement of the community with the school. As the success is duplicated in England it seems to me strange that some people want to shut them down but I supposed I shouldn't be surprised at the bizarre extremes that some people's beliefs lead them to.


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Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe17/05/07 21:39:00 Stine Madsen
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe17/05/07 21:51:00 Richard Jennings
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe17/05/07 23:03:00 Stine Madsen
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 08:29:00 Sean Hodges
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 15:52:00 Beth Hamer
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 08:43:00 Mick Hogan
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 08:57:00 Sean Hodges
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 12:05:00 Craig Fordham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 15:59:00 Sean Hodges
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 16:05:00 Beth Hamer
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 16:12:00 Sean Hodges
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 16:19:00 Beth Hamer
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 19:02:00 Roland Gilmore
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 19:31:00 Stine Madsen
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 21:00:00 Roland Gilmore
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 12:57:00 Peter Bullock
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 08:57:00 Sean Hodges
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 15:17:00 Roland Gilmore
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 15:59:00 Sean Hodges
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 19:41:00 Julia Matcham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe18/05/07 22:31:00 Helen Passey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 02:20:00 Roland Gilmore
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 08:27:00 Helen Passey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 09:39:00 Roland Gilmore
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 19:53:00 Julia Matcham
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 20:47:00 Peter Bullock
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 21:19:00 Julia Matcham
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe19/05/07 23:36:00 Roland Gilmore
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 00:30:00 Martin Hime
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 07:51:00 Roland Gilmore
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 11:18:00 Julia Matcham
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 16:13:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 20:38:00 Stine Madsen
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 20:59:00 Alan Duffy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 22:37:00 Martin Hime
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 01:13:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 11:17:00 Julia Matcham
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 11:34:00 Sean Hodges
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 12:19:00 Gillian Evans
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 13:48:00 Julia Matcham
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 16:13:00 Sean Hodges
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 18:16:00 Julia Matcham
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 18:18:00 Lucille Grant
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 18:58:00 Alan Duffy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 21:30:00 Lucille Grant
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 21:55:00 Martin Hime
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe22/05/07 09:11:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural C22/05/07 11:19:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural C22/05/07 11:36:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Nat22/05/07 11:39:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Nat22/05/07 11:56:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at t22/05/07 12:17:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at t22/05/07 12:25:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meeting22/05/07 12:52:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meeting22/05/07 14:15:00 Dan Evans
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 22:39:00 Martin Hime
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe20/05/07 22:41:00 Martin Hime
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 09:06:00 Alan Duffy
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 09:19:00 Sean Hodges
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe21/05/07 09:29:00 Alan Duffy
   Re:Religious meetings elsewhere21/05/07 22:30:00 Stephen Williamson
      Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere22/05/07 00:15:00 Roland Gilmore
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere22/05/07 19:37:00 Martin Hime
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere22/05/07 20:59:00 Stephen Williamson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere23/05/07 16:49:00 Julia Matcham
               Meetings at Brandlehow School23/05/07 22:44:00 Alan Duffy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere23/05/07 17:17:00 Peter Tuppen
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere23/05/07 18:27:00 Julia Matcham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings elsewhere23/05/07 18:32:00 Lucille Grant
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 00:08:00 Martin Hime
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 00:28:00 Leslie McDonnell
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 08:43:00 David Barron
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 08:57:00 Mick Hogan
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 08:54:00 Sean Hodges
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 09:51:00 Craig Fordham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 11:56:00 K Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe24/05/07 23:40:00 Roland Gilmore
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 07:57:00 Lucille Grant
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 08:09:00 Leslie McDonnell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 08:50:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 08:59:00 Sean Hodges
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 09:18:00 Gillian Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 09:30:00 Craig Fordham
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 09:32:00 Sean Hodges
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 10:30:00 Gillian Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 10:42:00 Sean Hodges
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 11:05:00 Gillian Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 14:05:00 Lucille Grant
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 14:23:00 Craig Fordham
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 15:07:00 Mick Hogan
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 15:33:00 Sean Hodges
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 15:35:00 Lucille Grant
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 16:07:00 Craig Fordham
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 16:34:00 Mick Hogan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe25/05/07 11:07:00 Julia Matcham
                                       It seems I am going to Hell25/05/07 17:02:00 Sean Hodges
                                          Re:It seems I am going to Hell25/05/07 17:32:00 Julia Matcham
                                          Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 00:29:00 Michael Ixer
                                             Re:Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 09:03:00 Lucille Grant
                                                Re:Re:Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 17:25:00 Martin Hime
                                             Re:Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 13:07:00 Helen Passey
                                                Re:Re:Re:It seems I am going to Hell26/05/07 16:29:00 Lucille Grant
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe26/05/07 20:30:00 Roland Gilmore
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe26/05/07 22:58:00 Martin Hime
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe27/05/07 11:09:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe27/05/07 14:36:00 Julia Matcham
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 13:47:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 15:57:00 Julia Matcham
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 17:40:00 Martin Hime
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 18:26:00 Alan Duffy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 19:40:00 Julia Matcham
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe28/05/07 23:27:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe29/05/07 11:19:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe29/05/07 12:59:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe29/05/07 14:28:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe29/05/07 19:29:00 Julia Matcham
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 09:58:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 10:01:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 11:20:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 12:27:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 14:22:00 Julia Matcham
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe30/05/07 18:01:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 00:57:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 09:36:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 09:08:00 Alan Duffy
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 16:07:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 19:50:00 Martin Hime
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe31/05/07 22:44:00 Martin Hime
      Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe01/06/07 08:47:00 Paul Corcoran
         Re:Re:Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe03/06/07 16:17:00 Roland Gilmore
   Re:Religious meetings at the Natural Cafe07/06/07 13:00:00 Robert Mulholland

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