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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.
Posted by: Ed Saper
Date/Time: 23/05/22 23:20:00

You could make a similar argument that car owners in London "also tend to be mostly male, white, in employment, and with relatively higher household incomes."

Around half of households have access to a car - the richer you are, the more likely you are to have one. 

Around 21% of Londoners reported cycling in the last year in 2019, as you quoted, and that grew to 27% in 2020/21 and "Londoners from Black, Asian and minority ethnic communities were not significantly less likely to have cycled over the past 12 months than white Londoners."

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2021/october/the-people-cycling-in-london-are-more-diverse-than-ever

But if I were to paraphrase your point: cyclists are a tiny, white minority who are given disproportionate attention and money, and even if we want more people to cycle, people just won't because it is so elitist, they all wear lycra and it's unfair on everyone else.

However, when you look at the numbers, the number of people cycling isn't a tiny minority.

In Outer London 14% of people cycle once a month, 10% once a week (2018/2019). In Inner London it is 23% once a month and 18% once a week. 

Hounslow is 16% monthly and 11% weekly, but Hammersmith (Inner London) is 31% monthly and 18% weekly, while Richmond (Outer London) is 36% monthly and 27% weekly. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/walking-and-cycling-statistics-england-2020

You can pull out statistics from the link above and if you like you can "prove" that cycling is a tiny minority by limiting it to Outer London and those who cycle 5 times a week and only for travel and not leisure and you can get to less than 2% and therefore we should reopen Fishers Lane and remove C9 because cycling will never, ever be a legitimate activity of the majority and the cars need all the space.

Or you can take the view that cycling is a legitimate transport option because it is high capacity, zero carbon / pollution and healthy and is the sort of think we should do more of, while we do less of the stuff which is inefficient, high carbon / pollution and is making us unhealthy - oh, and it works pretty well in other countries. 

And if you take that view, then tackling the reasons people don't cycle more - mainly because it is/feels so bloody dangerous to cycle on the roads with tipper trucks, let alone doing it with kids on the school run - then a cycle lane doesn't seem like such a bad idea. 











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Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.19/05/22 17:03:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse. Man up Mr Campbell...19/05/22 17:41:00 Loraine Pemberton
   Reply19/05/22 18:12:00 Ed Saper
      Re:Reply19/05/22 19:19:00 Paul Campbell
      Reply19/05/22 19:36:00 Tom Pike
         Re:Reply19/05/22 20:42:00 Maggie Dodge
            Re: Joshing19/05/22 21:27:00 Russell Pearson
               Re:Re: Joshing19/05/22 22:31:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re: Yet another name calling offensive post by Mr Campbell 21/05/22 16:40:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Brentford Taliban - Giles & Pearson21/05/22 18:38:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 07:23:00 Nik Solomon
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 07:50:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 07:56:00 Claire Moran
            Reply20/05/22 08:20:00 John Hall
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:29:00 Janice Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 08:27:00 Nik Solomon
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 08:36:00 Jeremy Parkinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:00:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:08:00 Nik Solomon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:31:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 10:10:00 Nik Solomon
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 10:18:00 Nik Solomon
                     Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.21/05/22 17:37:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:09:00 Janice Evans
               Reply20/05/22 09:29:00 Ed Saper
                  Reply20/05/22 09:32:00 Ed Saper
                     Re:Reply20/05/22 13:20:00 Kieran Fox
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                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 09:06:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 07:32:00 David Lesniak
                           Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 11:06:00 Adrian Irving
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 12:09:00 Simon Hayes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 15:47:00 Ed Saper
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 16:32:00 David Lesniak
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 16:35:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 17:41:00 Ed Saper
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                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 21:36:00 Ed Saper
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                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:48:00 Ed Saper
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 18:49:00 Kieran Fox
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 19:14:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 19:48:00 Paul Campbell
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                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 20:32:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:11:00 Simon Hayes
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:56:00 David Burke
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:59:00 David Burke
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 23:50:00 Paul Campbell
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                                                            Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 08:58:00 Maggie Dodge
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 09:31:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 10:43:00 David Lesniak
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 12:15:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 10:54:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                     Reply22/05/22 12:12:00 Ed Saper
                                                                        Re:Reply22/05/22 12:45:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                           Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 14:03:00 Ed Saper
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 15:08:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                        Re:Reply23/05/22 07:06:00 David Lesniak
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 20:03:00 Ed Saper
                                    Re:Reply to Ed Saper 21/05/22 17:57:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                       Re:Re: Loraine Pemberton 22/05/22 09:17:00 Gareth Sinclair
   Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 10:39:00 Charlotte Kasner
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 11:54:00 Simon Hayes
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 11:58:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 12:39:00 Simon Hayes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 12:58:00 Maggie Dodge
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 23:42:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 23:43:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.23/05/22 07:11:00 David Lesniak
   Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 13:45:00 John Flynn
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 17:47:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 18:46:00 Maggie Dodge
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 19:02:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.23/05/22 13:01:00 Matthew Swain
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.23/05/22 17:10:00 Loraine Pemberton
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                        Re:RRe:Why cycling and bikes lanes isn’t the answer23/05/22 20:06:00 Maggie Dodge
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.23/05/22 23:20:00 Ed Saper
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.24/05/22 08:41:00 Simon Hayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.24/05/22 09:11:00 Ed Saper
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                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.24/05/22 21:46:00 Ed Saper
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