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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply
Posted by: Ed Saper
Date/Time: 21/05/22 17:41:00

" The numbers of cyclists is minute compared to the population of London. Come up with all the percentages you like, but the numbers will always be low."

OK, I'll give you some percentages and translate those into numbers.

If you look at how people get to work in London, the share of cycling is increasing and the share of cars is decreasing.

London commutes by modal share (%) and number of people (in millions)

2010 - Cars 34% (1.325m), Bikes 5% (0.206m)
2019 - Cars 27% (1.303m), Bikes 5% (0.230m)
Q4 2020 - Cars 27% (1.265m), Bikes 7% (0.335m)

In Inner London in 2020 more people (241,000 vs 215,000) commuted to work by bike than by car.

2010 - Cars 16% (0.246m), Bikes 8% (0.130m)
2019 - Cars 14% (0.274m), Bikes 7% (0.145m)
Q4 2020 - Cars 11% (0.215m), Bikes 12% (0.241m)

Outer London hasn't moved much yet, but new infrastructure will fix that:

2010 - Cars 46% (1.071m), Bikes 3% (0.078m)
2019 - Cars 38% (1.027m), Bikes 4% (0.085m)
Q4 2020 - Cars 38% (1.032m), Bikes 4% (0.1m)


If you wish to frame the argument as one group wanting the roads to themselves, it would surely be car drivers as they endless demand the removal of bike lanes, the removing of traffic restrictions, expansion of parking, restriction of bus lanes and more roads - to themselves.

And given that cars and vehicles take up so much more space and cause so much congestions, that's perhaps understandable.

However, cycling takes up a fraction of the space - the Blackfriars cycling lane carries 5 times as many people as cars during the morning peak - or 2,000 cyclists in the space of 1 traffic lane vs 1,557 drivers and passengers over 2 traffic lanes. 

It also take a lot less space to park a bike than a car!

So, no, it isn't true to say that cyclists "want the roads to yourselves".  They don't need them, they just want to share them safely and not be killed or injured in the process. 


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Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.19/05/22 17:03:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse. Man up Mr Campbell...19/05/22 17:41:00 Loraine Pemberton
   Reply19/05/22 18:12:00 Ed Saper
      Re:Reply19/05/22 19:19:00 Paul Campbell
      Reply19/05/22 19:36:00 Tom Pike
         Re:Reply19/05/22 20:42:00 Maggie Dodge
            Re: Joshing19/05/22 21:27:00 Russell Pearson
               Re:Re: Joshing19/05/22 22:31:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re: Yet another name calling offensive post by Mr Campbell 21/05/22 16:40:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Brentford Taliban - Giles & Pearson21/05/22 18:38:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 07:23:00 Nik Solomon
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 07:50:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 07:56:00 Claire Moran
            Reply20/05/22 08:20:00 John Hall
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:29:00 Janice Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 08:27:00 Nik Solomon
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 08:36:00 Jeremy Parkinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:00:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:08:00 Nik Solomon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:31:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 10:10:00 Nik Solomon
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 10:18:00 Nik Solomon
                     Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.21/05/22 17:37:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.20/05/22 09:09:00 Janice Evans
               Reply20/05/22 09:29:00 Ed Saper
                  Reply20/05/22 09:32:00 Ed Saper
                     Re:Reply20/05/22 13:20:00 Kieran Fox
                        Re:Re:Reply20/05/22 14:49:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/22 18:19:00 Kieran Fox
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 09:06:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 07:32:00 David Lesniak
                           Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 11:06:00 Adrian Irving
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 12:09:00 Simon Hayes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 15:47:00 Ed Saper
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 16:32:00 David Lesniak
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 16:35:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 17:41:00 Ed Saper
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                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 21:36:00 Ed Saper
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:25:00 Simon Hayes
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:48:00 Ed Saper
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 18:49:00 Kieran Fox
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 19:14:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 19:48:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 19:59:00 Simon Hayes
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 20:32:00 Paul Campbell
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:11:00 Simon Hayes
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:56:00 David Burke
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:59:00 David Burke
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 23:50:00 Paul Campbell
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply23/05/22 11:58:00 Kieran Fox
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 22:30:00 Simon Hayes
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 05:51:00 David Lesniak
                                                         Re:Reply22/05/22 06:48:00 Philippa Bond
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                                                               Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 09:19:00 Philippa Bond
                                                            Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 08:58:00 Maggie Dodge
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 09:31:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 10:43:00 David Lesniak
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 12:15:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 10:54:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                     Reply22/05/22 12:12:00 Ed Saper
                                                                        Re:Reply22/05/22 12:45:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                           Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 14:03:00 Ed Saper
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Reply22/05/22 15:08:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                        Re:Reply23/05/22 07:06:00 David Lesniak
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/05/22 20:03:00 Ed Saper
                                    Re:Reply to Ed Saper 21/05/22 17:57:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                       Re:Re: Loraine Pemberton 22/05/22 09:17:00 Gareth Sinclair
   Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 10:39:00 Charlotte Kasner
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 11:54:00 Simon Hayes
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 11:58:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 12:39:00 Simon Hayes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 12:58:00 Maggie Dodge
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 23:42:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 23:43:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.23/05/22 07:11:00 David Lesniak
   Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 13:45:00 John Flynn
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 17:47:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 18:46:00 Maggie Dodge
         Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.22/05/22 19:02:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.23/05/22 13:01:00 Matthew Swain
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.23/05/22 17:10:00 Loraine Pemberton
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                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.23/05/22 23:20:00 Ed Saper
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.24/05/22 08:41:00 Simon Hayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.24/05/22 09:11:00 Ed Saper
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.24/05/22 09:37:00 Kieran Fox
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                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why bikes lanes don't make traffic worse.24/05/22 21:46:00 Ed Saper
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