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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate
Posted by: Paul Campbell
Date/Time: 23/06/21 12:52:00

I didn't miss your point. I am explaining how politicians see and evaluate the choices that they are making about transport management. I also did not make a judgment on the morality of the choices they make. The Councils who prioritise the rights of residents on minor roads to not have through-traffic on them have made a moral judgment that has factored in the impact on distributor roads.  I could get into a debate about whether that is right or wrong  and reference the various studies that make those politicians comfortable with that moral choice but that has been done to death on here already. Suffice to say they are aware of it and have formed a judgment and made their decisions accordingly. They believe the benefits outweight the disadvantages and are for the greater good. I agree with them. Wandsworth Council agrees with your views on this and so do other authorities. They believe that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages and the greater good is better served by allowing cars unrestricted access to the road network in their areas.

I disagree with your point that the most fervent opponents of road changes live on the main roads. But again I've made that point before plenty of times. I believe that the people like the founders of The OC live on quiet roads with no through-traffic, are not suffering from displacement from new schemes and are drivers who feel their right to unrestricted driving should be prioritised over the right of residents to not have them driving down their roads. You can say I am wrong about that and where they live but it isn't really a factor in the decision-making on this anwyay.

I think you are overestimating the process that established the historic LTNs. They were typically not widely consulted upon, they did not consider views of people from farther afield or sometimes even anybody outside the one street that had the restriction put in, they were triggered by a handful of residents lobbying for changes, Councils doing some pretty rudimentary evaluations before agreeing and implementing. One day a driver turns up and realises they can't go down a road and that is it.

With these new schemes the same thing has happened but the bar for consultation and evalutation has been set at a much higher level. Residents have lobbied the Council for changes, due to the change in statutory guidance from government the Council then made some decisions to implement changes that they thought would help to solve the problems identified by those residents as a trial, then they have conducted an extensive consultation and data-gathering exercise facilitated by independent consultants before making any final decision on what should happen. the process is more inclusive and consultative that what happened several decades ago. Some might argue that has actually not helped with public attitude to change.

I know that residents lobbied for change and that Fishers Lane is one of the changes that has been lobbied for over a very long period of time Opinions on the cycle route from Acton will vary and you are welcome to yours. I have mine and it is different.

I may have asked you this before but have you used Waze? If not I would recommend that you do and then reconsider your proposed technology solution. I could explain why but the experience will have more impact.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Connollys bus gate21/06/21 20:19:00 Lena Armstrong
   Re:Connollys bus gate21/06/21 20:43:00 Linda Bright
   Re:Connollys bus gate Chiswick High Road / Acton Lane21/06/21 21:12:00 Adam ONeill
   Re:Connollys bus gate21/06/21 21:12:00 Ed Saper
      Re:Re:Connollys bus gate21/06/21 21:55:00 Tom Pike
         Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate21/06/21 22:07:00 Lena Armstrong
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate21/06/21 22:17:00 Tom Pike
   Re:Connollys bus gate21/06/21 22:16:00 Mark Edwards
      Re:Re:Connollys bus gate21/06/21 22:19:00 Tom Pike
         Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 00:16:00 Peter Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 07:27:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 07:53:00 Bill George
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 08:45:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 09:00:00 Bill George
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 10:09:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 10:20:00 Bill George
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 10:37:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 11:52:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 12:09:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 12:12:00 Bill George
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 12:24:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 16:38:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 17:02:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 10:38:00 Peter Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 18:27:00 Carl Wynne
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 18:56:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 10:55:00 David Lesniak
                        Reply23/06/21 14:14:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Reply23/06/21 15:48:00 David Lesniak
                              Re:Re:Reply23/06/21 16:28:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Reply24/06/21 06:46:00 David Lesniak
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply24/06/21 07:59:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply24/06/21 13:19:00 David Lesniak
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply24/06/21 14:12:00 Tom Pike
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/06/21 13:16:00 David Lesniak
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/06/21 17:46:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply26/06/21 12:09:00 David Lesniak
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 10:26:00 David Lesniak
      Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 07:01:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 15:04:00 Peter Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 15:18:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 15:19:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 16:04:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 16:35:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 16:37:00 Mark Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 16:54:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 17:08:00 Paul Campbell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate22/06/21 23:16:00 Mark Talbot
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 07:33:00 Mark Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 07:46:00 Paul Campbell
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 10:51:00 Mark Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 11:16:00 Anita Blake
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 11:22:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 12:20:00 Mark Evans
                                                Reply23/06/21 12:36:00 John Hall
                                                   Re:Reply23/06/21 12:44:00 Maggie Dodge
                                                      Re:Re:Reply23/06/21 12:59:00 Mark Evans
                                                         Reply23/06/21 13:32:00 John Hall
                                                            Re:Reply23/06/21 14:51:00 Mark Evans
                                                            Re:Reply23/06/21 15:57:00 David Lesniak
                                                               Reply23/06/21 16:23:00 John Hall
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 12:52:00 Paul Campbell
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 14:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 15:00:00 Mark Evans
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Connollys bus gate23/06/21 15:46:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Detecting road closures23/06/21 16:01:00 Peter Evans
                                                         Re:Detecting road closures23/06/21 16:43:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Detecting road closures23/06/21 17:01:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Detecting road closures26/06/21 10:53:00 Justin Stephenson
   Re:Connollys bus gate26/06/21 18:06:00 Fatima Traore

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