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Topic: Not 'estimates'
Posted by: Thomas Barry
Date/Time: 11/07/13 19:25:00

""If they are just estimates, how accurate are they and do people therefore not have a right to challenge them? ""

They aren't just estimates, though - the one that really stood out was on teenage pregnancy, which is known *precisely* because all births are registered by law*, yet people are still not even close - estimating that 1 in 7 u16 year olds have a child each year. 

Work that out for, say, a 1200 pupil secondary school like Chiswick. So there'll be around 1000 pupils 11-16 or younger, in 5 year groups about 200 each.  Assuming 50% are girls and only 13-15 year old girls are having babies, the number of girls possibly having babies per year u16 is about 300, the number of girls in three year groups.

Now, if 15% really got pregnant there'd be 45 babies born *per year* to pupils in the school.  By the time they got to 16 a large number of the girls taking GCSEs would be mothers.  I'm sure if you asked people how many under 16s becoming single mothers they knew of at their local secondary they wouldn't say 45 a year, but that's what they're implying in the response to the survey.

A lot of this is people being bad at maths, of course, but it's just staggeringly wrong, 25x out.  That's not a difference of opinion, it's a serious level of ignorance that people are not only apparently unaware of but seemingly trying to defend under the erroneous belief that counting the legally-mandated registration of births is somehow equivalent in accuracy to pulling numbers out of your backside.  Why?

Basically you're entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.

* Official birth statistics :
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-reference-tables.html?edition=tcm%3A77-294336


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Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:06:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:08:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:11:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:20:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:27:00 Birna Helgadottir
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:31:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:51:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:08:00 Stewart Dean
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:29:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:56:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:15:00 Martin Whaley
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:18:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:34:00 Martin Whaley
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:57:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:12:00 Martin Whaley
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:47:00 Claire Moran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:33:00 Stewart Dean
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 20:12:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:52:00 Susan Kelly
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:04:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:20:00 Will Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:37:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:07:00 Richard Cathcart
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:11:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:46:00 Birna Helgadottir
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:37:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:47:00 Richard Cathcart
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:00:00 Will Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:04:00 Malcolm Peltu
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:44:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:23:00 Richard Cathcart
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:12:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:39:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:06:00 Richard Cathcart
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:37:00 Francis Rowe
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:58:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:03:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:58:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:57:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:22:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:28:00 Georgina Flint
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:33:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:39:00 Stewart Dean
                     UK Statistics Authority, FullFact and FactCheck10/07/13 17:35:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:UK Statistics Authority, FullFact and FactCheck10/07/13 18:21:00 Stewart Dean
            Not 'estimates'11/07/13 19:25:00 Thomas Barry
         Benefit fraud figures10/07/13 17:24:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:48:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.11/07/13 18:46:00 Claire Moran
         local nitwits...11/07/13 19:19:00 Stuart Kerr
            Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 19:34:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 19:45:00 Claire Moran
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