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Topic: Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.
Posted by: Stewart Dean
Date/Time: 10/07/13 14:58:00

"These kind of 'aren't we clever and aren't the general public stupid' articles are indicative of a very deep malaise in UK media."

Will put a link through to the original figures. It does relate to a problem with the media, but it is fed up with levels of ignorance in the general public. Any by general public I am not saying I am outside of that definition. We need a better media, but it's not one 'the general public' would enjoy as there would be no more horror stories and shock and awe examples of how this country is going down the tube. In reality this country is the safest and wealthiest it's ever been. 

"The British public are instinctively right when the identify benefit fraud as an issue probably because a large proportion are aware of examples."

And there lies the problem, this instinct is wrong as everyone THINKS they are aware of examples. In reality few actually do as many examples may not be real or have been cherry picked by the media (often with many key facts removed to ensure it is a black and white case of someone being feckless).

Now you say that we still get to a figure of £1.45bn that is spent on benefit fraud. I would say that the effort to reduce that to target the feckless to reduce that by a half would have knock on effects that would wipe out the effort, unless you cherry pick.

In rough sums based upon how many IT contractors there are in London and figures related to how many use 'off shore' tax loops and how incredibly easy they are to use I would say that a tweak to our tax laws could bring in about £1bn to £2bn in avoided taxes. That's just from contractors in London. 

If it's down to sums then there will always a certain level of abuse in any system. If it's below 1% in a system as complex as the benefit system then that's pretty good going. This can be reduced by simplifying the system, which is tough to do and still keep a 'fair' system.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:06:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:08:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:11:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:20:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:27:00 Birna Helgadottir
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:31:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:51:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:08:00 Stewart Dean
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:29:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:56:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:15:00 Martin Whaley
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:18:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:34:00 Martin Whaley
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:57:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:12:00 Martin Whaley
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:47:00 Claire Moran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:33:00 Stewart Dean
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 20:12:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:52:00 Susan Kelly
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:04:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:20:00 Will Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:37:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:07:00 Richard Cathcart
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:11:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:46:00 Birna Helgadottir
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:37:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:47:00 Richard Cathcart
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:00:00 Will Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:04:00 Malcolm Peltu
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:44:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:23:00 Richard Cathcart
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:12:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:39:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:06:00 Richard Cathcart
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:37:00 Francis Rowe
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:58:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:03:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:58:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:57:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:22:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:28:00 Georgina Flint
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:33:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:39:00 Stewart Dean
                     UK Statistics Authority, FullFact and FactCheck10/07/13 17:35:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:UK Statistics Authority, FullFact and FactCheck10/07/13 18:21:00 Stewart Dean
            Not 'estimates'11/07/13 19:25:00 Thomas Barry
         Benefit fraud figures10/07/13 17:24:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:48:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.11/07/13 18:46:00 Claire Moran
         local nitwits...11/07/13 19:19:00 Stuart Kerr
            Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 19:34:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 19:45:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 19:54:00 Stuart Kerr
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 20:04:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 20:07:00 Stuart Kerr
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 20:09:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...12/07/13 12:21:00 Pete Mayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...12/07/13 12:22:00 Pete Mayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...12/07/13 12:57:00 Stuart Kerr

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