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Topic: Benefit fraud figures
Posted by: Thomas Barry
Date/Time: 10/07/13 17:24:00

"If it's below 1% in a system as complex as the benefit system"

I also varies between individual benefits, fraud on Child Benefit, for instance, is almost immeasurably tiny while housing benefit fraud is far higher, much of it down to landlords (who unaccountably aren't generally included in the 'scrounger' hate figure).  Landlords have quite incredible scope to defraud us over HB, this is one of the hidden costs of privatising low income housing, but there you go.  Actually, the spiralling HB bill is one area where it's perfectly clear to everyone that a non-moralising rational policy would both cut benefits and improve life for people on lower incomes.

If anyone's interested the official figures for fraud are here, which also shows that overpayment by the DWP costs considerably more than would be saved even if you could reduce fraud to zero, but obviously the government isn't going to play that up to the same extent.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-preliminary-201213-estimates

 4.6%, or £250m, of Income Support expenditure (£5.5bn) was overpaid;
 4.2%, or £220m, of Jobseeker’s Allowance expenditure (£5.3bn) was
overpaid;
 5.5%, or £420m, of Pension Credit expenditure (£7.6bn) was overpaid;
 5.3%, or £1,270m, of Housing Benefit expenditure (£23.8bn) was overpaid

Basically, if you're trying to pretend, even after this and numerous other surveys, that we shouldn't proceed on the working assumption that Joe British Public knows nothing but prejudiced evidence free suppositions about most areas of current Government policy I'd like to sell you Tower Bridge, which I've got the exclusive marketing rights for.  Honest.


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Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:06:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:08:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:11:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:20:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:27:00 Birna Helgadottir
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:31:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 10:51:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:08:00 Stewart Dean
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:29:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:56:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:15:00 Martin Whaley
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:18:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:34:00 Martin Whaley
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 12:57:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:12:00 Martin Whaley
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:47:00 Claire Moran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:33:00 Stewart Dean
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 20:12:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:52:00 Susan Kelly
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:04:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 11:20:00 Will Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:37:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:07:00 Richard Cathcart
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:11:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:46:00 Birna Helgadottir
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:37:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 13:47:00 Richard Cathcart
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:00:00 Will Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:04:00 Malcolm Peltu
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:44:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:23:00 Richard Cathcart
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:12:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:39:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:06:00 Richard Cathcart
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:37:00 Francis Rowe
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:58:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:03:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 14:58:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 15:57:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:22:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:28:00 Georgina Flint
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:33:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:39:00 Stewart Dean
                     UK Statistics Authority, FullFact and FactCheck10/07/13 17:35:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:UK Statistics Authority, FullFact and FactCheck10/07/13 18:21:00 Stewart Dean
            Not 'estimates'11/07/13 19:25:00 Thomas Barry
         Benefit fraud figures10/07/13 17:24:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:Major things we get wrong.10/07/13 16:48:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Major things we get wrong.11/07/13 18:46:00 Claire Moran
         local nitwits...11/07/13 19:19:00 Stuart Kerr
            Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 19:34:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 19:45:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 19:54:00 Stuart Kerr
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 20:04:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 20:07:00 Stuart Kerr
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...11/07/13 20:09:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...12/07/13 12:21:00 Pete Mayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...12/07/13 12:22:00 Pete Mayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:local nitwits...12/07/13 12:57:00 Stuart Kerr

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