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Topic: BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow
Posted by: Kevin Regan
Date/Time: 27/01/08 00:26:00

Thank you Richard for your contributions. They are always erudite but until your last post, somewhat lacking in humour or any advancement of the thread. I would have expected someone with your eye to detail to have picked up the initial spelling error of runaway by David Giles instead of leaving it so late.
We have all perhaps speculated here too much, and we don't have the accident report in detail. I do stand corrected as apparently -70 degrees is an unusual temperature even over the Polar regions AND BA038 DID have an unusually unhindered approach. Apparently the approach to Heathrow no longer is a long slight decline but a steeper approach which allows pilots to 'glide' thus using up to a tonne less fuel in the approach. And we thought they were just trying to my our lives more bearable.
Thus we may have a scenario where the fuel was extra cold, the descent allowed the engines to idle and with a clear approach BA038 had less queuing time to allow the fuel to warm. Supercold fuel, quicker landing approach and less demand on engines could therefore mean that the water content in the fuel had formed ice crystals which blocked the fuel lines, so when a demand for extra power was given, fuel could not reach the engines in sufficient quantity to give the required power to land conventionally.
These may be unique circumstances to date that put in train the crash landing. That is to be hoped. However, the fact then remains that a revised landing approach which saves fuel by reducing power demands on the engines may then have itself contributed to the accident through these ice crystals not having time to thaw.
We have not had many major accidents at Heathrow and we all want that statistic to remain. The proposal is that in the not too distant future there will be a line of 3 runways, each accepting landings, so we have a continual 3 lane airway passing over Central and West London.
I for one do not see that prospect as reducing the risk of an aircrash short of the runways.
I may be in a minority, subsequent posters will no doubt clarify what their support is for. Either AGAINST a 3rd runway or a FOR a 3rd runway.
Let's see what individual posters feel.
I would now want to say 'Gentlemen, start your engines' if it wasn't so inappropriate.
OK, W4, who is FOR and who AGAINST a third runway.
Post once for your preference.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 13:33:00 David Giles
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 13:58:00 Martin Whaley
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 14:41:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:17:00 Peter Goodhew
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:29:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 11:46:00 David Darlow
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 12:15:00 Ken Munn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 12:33:00 Richard Greenhough
   BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:25:00 Kevin Regan
      Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:36:00 Thomas Barry
         Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow17/01/08 17:06:00 Fred Bray
            Re:Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow17/01/08 17:24:00 Russell Baines
         BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 22:02:00 Kevin Regan
      Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 17:34:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 18:27:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 18:27:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 18:49:00 Richard Jennings
            Heathrow Airport should not be there in the first place17/01/08 21:15:00 David Giles
               Re:Heathrow Airport should not be there in the first place17/01/08 21:47:00 Tom Pike
                  The Keens are part of the problem and not of the solution18/01/08 00:10:00 David Giles
                     Re:The Keens are part of the problem and not of the solution18/01/08 08:49:00 Thomas Barry
         NATS conclusion on the third runway17/01/08 21:21:00 Tom Pike
            Re:NATS conclusion on the third runway17/01/08 21:59:00 Tim Henderson
               If Boris was the pilot17/01/08 22:45:00 Russell Peirs
                  Re:If Boris was the pilot17/01/08 23:52:00 Thomas Barry
                     Lee Jasper18/01/08 00:17:00 David Giles
                        Re:Lee Jasper18/01/08 02:00:00 Richard Jennings
                     Re:Re:If Boris was the pilot18/01/08 13:01:00 Claudia Jachtmann
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 00:50:00 Peter Eversden
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 09:20:00 Peter Goodhew
         El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 10:41:00 David Giles
            Re:El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 11:08:00 Stephen Pett
               777 crash landing18/01/08 11:45:00 Kevin Regan
            Re:El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 12:30:00 Richard Jennings
               Re: Boeing on the A418/01/08 12:51:00 Verification Required
                  Re:Re: Boeing on the A418/01/08 13:22:00 Richard Jennings
                     777 crash landing18/01/08 13:58:00 Kevin Regan
                        Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 14:55:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 15:37:00 Jeff Gear
                        Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 17:50:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 18:10:00 Peter Eversden
                     Re:Re:Re: Boeing on the A418/01/08 14:01:00 Martin Whaley
                        Re:: Boeing nearly landing on the A423/01/08 20:58:00 David Giles
            Re:El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 14:09:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 17:50:00 Peter Eversden
            BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow18/01/08 19:09:00 Kevin Regan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 19:58:00 Colin Vaughan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 13:28:00 Peter Eversden
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow23/01/08 21:00:00 David Giles
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 19:22:00 Peter Poulton
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 23:20:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:16:00 Paul Morris
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:51:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 13:33:00 Peter Eversden
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 13:44:00 Anneberth Lux
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:23:00 Jonathan Bingham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:42:00 Peter Poulton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 16:16:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow20/01/08 15:46:00 Peter Eversden
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow23/01/08 17:28:00 Kevin Regan
      this might help23/01/08 17:33:00 Russell Peirs
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 01:49:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 02:32:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 22:41:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 23:44:00 Richard Jennings
               BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow25/01/08 00:45:00 Kevin Regan
                  Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow25/01/08 02:07:00 Richard Jennings
                     Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 16:57:00 David Giles
                        Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 19:55:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 20:14:00 Michael Daley
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 20:14:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 21:03:00 Colin Vaughan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 21:49:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow27/01/08 00:26:00 Kevin Regan
                                       Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow27/01/08 17:17:00 Richard Jennings
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow27/01/08 10:13:00 Michael Daley
                                    Some unique pics27/01/08 13:17:00 Mike Smith
                                       Re:Some unique pics27/01/08 14:05:00 Tim Henderson
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow27/01/08 17:12:00 Len Skerratt
      If the Plane had been full it may have landed in Hounslow31/01/08 18:55:00 David Giles
         Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 17:44:00 Kevin Regan
            Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 17:54:00 Martin Whaley
               Re:Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 19:37:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 21:51:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??02/02/08 10:31:00 Thomas Barry
            Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??05/02/08 08:19:00 Dylan Reisenberger
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/08 05:17:00 David Lindsay
      Boeing warns of ice problem in some 777 engines04/02/09 20:54:00 Tim Henderson
         Re:Boeing warns of ice problem in some 777 engines04/02/09 23:20:00 Ken Munn
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 13:16:00 David Millar
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow05/02/09 15:12:00 Richard Jennings

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