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Topic: Re:NATS conclusion on the third runway
Posted by: Tim Henderson
Date/Time: 17/01/08 21:59:00

Extract from Aviation Environment Federation document, "Adding capacity at Heathrow Airport... and noise, air pollution and risk"
http://www.aef.org.uk/uploads/Heathrow_R3_leaflet.doc

Risk and public safety zones

Take-offs and landings are the most dangerous phases of aircraft operations.  Of the aircraft crashes that have occurred over the past 3 to 4 decades, most have occurred on or relatively close to airport runways. Risk is greatest close to the runway and to a line extending out from the runway centreline. 

The consultation report on whether 130 aircraft movements per hour could be accommodated on three runways suggests that this will be “very challenging”  (in fact, the term ‘challenging’ is used six times in its two-page executive summary).  The report notes that
“there are a number of significant issues still to be addressed before [the air traffic controllers at Heathrow] could express confidence that a fully viable, safe Concept of Operation exists that could meet all the required objectives for the London [Terminal Control Area], accommodate the traffic generated by a third Heathrow runway, and deliver environmental benefit...”

If planning permission is given, the DfT will designate a Public Safety Zone (PSZ) at each end of the new runway.  These zones are defined by a 1 in 100,000 annual individual risk contours.  Airport operators must offer to relocate all existing development within the 1 in 10,000 risk contour, a level beyond which individual risk is deemed to be intolerable.  In the area between the 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 100,000 annual individual risk contours, PSZ policy is a general presumption against any further development that is not low density or low occupancy.  However there is no policy regarding existing development in that area, although the people there will be at higher risk than before and unable to make full use of their land.  The consultation documents don’t show the 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 100,000 contours, but hundreds if not thousands of properties may well be affected.

There may also be a conflict between the PSZ designation and regional housing targets which, for instance, would require 5,700 new homes to built in Slough by 2026; and 4,450 in Hounslow by 2016/17.


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BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 13:33:00 David Giles
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 13:58:00 Martin Whaley
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 14:41:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:17:00 Peter Goodhew
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:29:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 11:46:00 David Darlow
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 12:15:00 Ken Munn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 12:33:00 Richard Greenhough
   BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:25:00 Kevin Regan
      Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:36:00 Thomas Barry
         Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow17/01/08 17:06:00 Fred Bray
            Re:Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow17/01/08 17:24:00 Russell Baines
         BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 22:02:00 Kevin Regan
      Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 17:34:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 18:27:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 18:27:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 18:49:00 Richard Jennings
            Heathrow Airport should not be there in the first place17/01/08 21:15:00 David Giles
               Re:Heathrow Airport should not be there in the first place17/01/08 21:47:00 Tom Pike
                  The Keens are part of the problem and not of the solution18/01/08 00:10:00 David Giles
                     Re:The Keens are part of the problem and not of the solution18/01/08 08:49:00 Thomas Barry
         NATS conclusion on the third runway17/01/08 21:21:00 Tom Pike
            Re:NATS conclusion on the third runway17/01/08 21:59:00 Tim Henderson
               If Boris was the pilot17/01/08 22:45:00 Russell Peirs
                  Re:If Boris was the pilot17/01/08 23:52:00 Thomas Barry
                     Lee Jasper18/01/08 00:17:00 David Giles
                        Re:Lee Jasper18/01/08 02:00:00 Richard Jennings
                     Re:Re:If Boris was the pilot18/01/08 13:01:00 Claudia Jachtmann
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 00:50:00 Peter Eversden
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 09:20:00 Peter Goodhew
         El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 10:41:00 David Giles
            Re:El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 11:08:00 Stephen Pett
               777 crash landing18/01/08 11:45:00 Kevin Regan
            Re:El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 12:30:00 Richard Jennings
               Re: Boeing on the A418/01/08 12:51:00 Verification Required
                  Re:Re: Boeing on the A418/01/08 13:22:00 Richard Jennings
                     777 crash landing18/01/08 13:58:00 Kevin Regan
                        Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 14:55:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 15:37:00 Jeff Gear
                        Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 17:50:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 18:10:00 Peter Eversden
                     Re:Re:Re: Boeing on the A418/01/08 14:01:00 Martin Whaley
                        Re:: Boeing nearly landing on the A423/01/08 20:58:00 David Giles
            Re:El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 14:09:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 17:50:00 Peter Eversden
            BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow18/01/08 19:09:00 Kevin Regan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 19:58:00 Colin Vaughan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 13:28:00 Peter Eversden
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow23/01/08 21:00:00 David Giles
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 19:22:00 Peter Poulton
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 23:20:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:16:00 Paul Morris
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:51:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 13:33:00 Peter Eversden
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 13:44:00 Anneberth Lux
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:23:00 Jonathan Bingham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:42:00 Peter Poulton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 16:16:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow20/01/08 15:46:00 Peter Eversden
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow23/01/08 17:28:00 Kevin Regan
      this might help23/01/08 17:33:00 Russell Peirs
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 01:49:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 02:32:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 22:41:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 23:44:00 Richard Jennings
               BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow25/01/08 00:45:00 Kevin Regan
                  Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow25/01/08 02:07:00 Richard Jennings
                     Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 16:57:00 David Giles
                        Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 19:55:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 20:14:00 Michael Daley
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 20:14:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 21:03:00 Colin Vaughan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 21:49:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow27/01/08 00:26:00 Kevin Regan
                                       Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow27/01/08 17:17:00 Richard Jennings
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow27/01/08 10:13:00 Michael Daley
                                    Some unique pics27/01/08 13:17:00 Mike Smith
                                       Re:Some unique pics27/01/08 14:05:00 Tim Henderson
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow27/01/08 17:12:00 Len Skerratt
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            Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 17:54:00 Martin Whaley
               Re:Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 19:37:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 21:51:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??02/02/08 10:31:00 Thomas Barry
            Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??05/02/08 08:19:00 Dylan Reisenberger
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      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow05/02/09 15:12:00 Richard Jennings

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