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Topic: BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow
Posted by: Kevin Regan
Date/Time: 25/01/08 00:45:00

Thanks to all contributors who may, like me, be concerned that this very nearly landed outside the perimeter.
We face the possibility in the not too distant future of the prospect of 3 runways, each with landing approaches over this area. No rotation of runways, as at present, just 3 continual streams of aircraft.
I noted again today, that aircraft approaching were not lowering undercarriages until well past TG station. It was a cold day, perhaps the word is out to the pilots that in cold conditions, maybe they are playing safe by keeping cleanest airflow profile until late in approach. Fuel waxing could explain why no fleet type grounding, but if this is found to be the cause, will it disprove global warming?? How difficult is it to drain water out of the fuel tanks? I have read the report, but are these low temperatures so unusual at these altitudes? If unusual, I would have expected that fact to have been reported already to assist in finding cause. If it not unusual temperature, why then could the fuel have had waxing/freezing problems after its descent from high altitude? Whilst no expert, I have flown many times and the descent is not swift, not from say 38,000 feet straight in, as there is usually a spiral type descent which should have been sufficient for the fuel to have warmed up past any potential waxing effect.
Something is still not right so far, the 777 is still operating, eliminating type problem, and crew still praised for efforts at landing a brick. Momentum versus gravity......... I'm also surprised that an aircraft reported at 600 feet managed to fly 2 miles or so in this condition!
I'm sure this is an unprecedented event, just wish it hadn't happened so close to us!! I don't think I'm alone in visualising this happening again with 3 runways in operation and less success. Is the future that not only will passengers have to arrive 2 or 3 hours preflight but then have 15 to 30 minutes in a stack whilst the fuel warms up. Concorde flew at much higher altitude and therefore even colder temperatures and never experienced fuel waxing. Answers please on a plain postcard would be appreciated.


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BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 13:33:00 David Giles
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 13:58:00 Martin Whaley
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 14:41:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:17:00 Peter Goodhew
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:29:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 11:46:00 David Darlow
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 12:15:00 Ken Munn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 12:33:00 Richard Greenhough
   BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:25:00 Kevin Regan
      Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 16:36:00 Thomas Barry
         Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow17/01/08 17:06:00 Fred Bray
            Re:Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow17/01/08 17:24:00 Russell Baines
         BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 22:02:00 Kevin Regan
      Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 17:34:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 18:27:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 18:27:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow17/01/08 18:49:00 Richard Jennings
            Heathrow Airport should not be there in the first place17/01/08 21:15:00 David Giles
               Re:Heathrow Airport should not be there in the first place17/01/08 21:47:00 Tom Pike
                  The Keens are part of the problem and not of the solution18/01/08 00:10:00 David Giles
                     Re:The Keens are part of the problem and not of the solution18/01/08 08:49:00 Thomas Barry
         NATS conclusion on the third runway17/01/08 21:21:00 Tom Pike
            Re:NATS conclusion on the third runway17/01/08 21:59:00 Tim Henderson
               If Boris was the pilot17/01/08 22:45:00 Russell Peirs
                  Re:If Boris was the pilot17/01/08 23:52:00 Thomas Barry
                     Lee Jasper18/01/08 00:17:00 David Giles
                        Re:Lee Jasper18/01/08 02:00:00 Richard Jennings
                     Re:Re:If Boris was the pilot18/01/08 13:01:00 Claudia Jachtmann
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 00:50:00 Peter Eversden
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 09:20:00 Peter Goodhew
         El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 10:41:00 David Giles
            Re:El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 11:08:00 Stephen Pett
               777 crash landing18/01/08 11:45:00 Kevin Regan
            Re:El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 12:30:00 Richard Jennings
               Re: Boeing on the A418/01/08 12:51:00 Verification Required
                  Re:Re: Boeing on the A418/01/08 13:22:00 Richard Jennings
                     777 crash landing18/01/08 13:58:00 Kevin Regan
                        Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 14:55:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 15:37:00 Jeff Gear
                        Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 17:50:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Re:777 crash landing18/01/08 18:10:00 Peter Eversden
                     Re:Re:Re: Boeing on the A418/01/08 14:01:00 Martin Whaley
                        Re:: Boeing nearly landing on the A423/01/08 20:58:00 David Giles
            Re:El Al Crash in Amsterdam October 199218/01/08 14:09:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 17:50:00 Peter Eversden
            BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow18/01/08 19:09:00 Kevin Regan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 19:58:00 Colin Vaughan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 13:28:00 Peter Eversden
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow23/01/08 21:00:00 David Giles
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 19:22:00 Peter Poulton
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow18/01/08 23:20:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:16:00 Paul Morris
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:51:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 13:33:00 Peter Eversden
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 13:44:00 Anneberth Lux
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:23:00 Jonathan Bingham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 12:42:00 Peter Poulton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow19/01/08 16:16:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow20/01/08 15:46:00 Peter Eversden
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow23/01/08 17:28:00 Kevin Regan
      this might help23/01/08 17:33:00 Russell Peirs
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 01:49:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 02:32:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 22:41:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow24/01/08 23:44:00 Richard Jennings
               BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow25/01/08 00:45:00 Kevin Regan
                  Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow25/01/08 02:07:00 Richard Jennings
                     Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 16:57:00 David Giles
                        Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 19:55:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 20:14:00 Michael Daley
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 20:14:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 21:03:00 Colin Vaughan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow26/01/08 21:49:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow27/01/08 00:26:00 Kevin Regan
                                       Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow27/01/08 17:17:00 Richard Jennings
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow27/01/08 10:13:00 Michael Daley
                                    Some unique pics27/01/08 13:17:00 Mike Smith
                                       Re:Some unique pics27/01/08 14:05:00 Tim Henderson
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow27/01/08 17:12:00 Len Skerratt
      If the Plane had been full it may have landed in Hounslow31/01/08 18:55:00 David Giles
         Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 17:44:00 Kevin Regan
            Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 17:54:00 Martin Whaley
               Re:Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 19:37:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??01/02/08 21:51:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??02/02/08 10:31:00 Thomas Barry
            Re:Possible theory for 777 crashlanding??05/02/08 08:19:00 Dylan Reisenberger
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/08 05:17:00 David Lindsay
      Boeing warns of ice problem in some 777 engines04/02/09 20:54:00 Tim Henderson
         Re:Boeing warns of ice problem in some 777 engines04/02/09 23:20:00 Ken Munn
   Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runaway at Heathrow05/02/09 13:16:00 David Millar
      Re:Re:BA Flight Lands Short of Runway at Heathrow05/02/09 15:12:00 Richard Jennings

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