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Topic: Re:To Brendan
Posted by: Andy Murray
Date/Time: 23/10/15 17:29:00

Dear Brendan,
You've seen my historical posts, of which there have been many, and I think you were at St Michael's in January where I was the only person allowed to speak formally against the motion, which was to retain the Park / Staveley CPZ, a CPZ that was not needed and isn't used by the majority of Park / Staveley residents. 3 persons in favour of retaining it were allowed to speak and I wasn't given the time to rebut their statements - although I did get the longest positive response of the evening from the attendees, who did go on to make many of the points I would have made.

My position remains:
- I stand up for the quality of life Grove Park residents. I accept that for some it is to guarantee a parking space outside their door, but for others a CPZ doesn't compensate for the loss of civic amenity as listed below. That's what they think, but others disagree - fair enough on both sides. However there are now 85 separate parking bays and white lines and posts with notices in Park & Staveley Roads, which, in my personal opinion, is a blight.

- If most GP residents want a CPZ, they should have one.

- They shouldn't, however, be coerced into having one by skewed consultations and any opposing voices being institutionally ignored.

- GP north of the railway line is interconnected, so displacement from one part into another part does affect the whole area.

- A CPZ is a very blunt instrument and, while, say, a 2-hour restriction would banish commuters (which I know does affect you - and me), there are many residents who don't want the wardens, cost, street scenery, conflict with neighbours and bureaucracy that results.

- A CPZ inevitably (and laudably from a safety point of view) restricts the amount of spaces to park, so it MAY be the case that some streets' parking will be worse, because residents own so many cars that fewer, residents-only spaces mean that they can't park at all. We don't know the latter, since no car-owning survey has been done and the question wasn't posed on the most recent Consultation.

- Possibly because of the above, a CPZ might be fairest if applied across all streets (at least those north of the railway line, rather than the salami-slicing favoured by the LBoFH Traffic Dept. You would probably benefit from such an approach, and if it did come in, it would be sooner than if, say, a CPZ were applied only to Elmwood eastwards in the short term.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, parking in your street and my street HAS got worse in the last 2 years. The commuters I have spoken to work at Chiswick Business Park, so I suspect there is intel available there, directing parkers to our leafy streets, much to our annoyance.

But we didn't need a CPZ in 2004, and 2010, and 2012, which is when other debates raged.

We might very well need one now (see above) and probably will IF the BFC stadium ever gets built, but:

- it has only ever been the sole solution proposed by the LBofH Traffic Dept, who have admitted that they are predisposed to listen to people who want them, however, few, and ignore protests from those who don't. No proper parking survey has ever been done or alternative solutions proposed.

- I'd still rather have a proper analysis of car usage / ownership and actual proof of commuter activity rather than the anecdotal evidence proffered so far.

- And I'd like some consideration for those deemed to have 'private roads', such as dwellers in Sutton Court and Chiswick Village, who weren't included in the consultation, yet have insufficient spaces for themselves, and do park in the surrounding streets, which will be denied them because they wouldn't be eligible to buy a permit under a CPZ scheme.


If you can convince all your fellow GP residents to vote for a CPZ, that's fine by me. I merely say that we should be very careful what we wish for.
Best,
Andy

  


Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 21:44:00 James Mcconnell
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:05:00 Brian Coyle
      Grove Park CPZ again - but with a narrower remit04/09/15 23:45:00 Andy Murray
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:45:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 05:43:00 Brendan McCarthy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 07:12:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 11:42:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 12:36:00 Madeleine Hazard
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 15:02:00 Brendan McCarthy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 08:19:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:26:00 Jason Wiltshire
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:50:00 Dan Murphy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:37:00 Simon Meyers
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:55:00 Dan Murphy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 12:12:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:30:00 Jim Brown
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:57:00 Jo Roberts
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 08:49:00 Dan Murphy
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 10:30:00 Brian Coyle
                                                      Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 10:46:00 Andy Murray
                                                         Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:03:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:27:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                            Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 11:27:00 Andy Murray
                                                               Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:26:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                  Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:34:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:10:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:19:00 Colin Jordan
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 20:47:00 Lucy Dunkerley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:28:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 17:56:00 Lou Valdini
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 08:19:00 James Robinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 09:40:00 Pete Johnson
                                                                                    Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:34:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:01:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:55:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:11:00 James Robinson
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:25:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 12:00:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 18:42:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ11/09/15 09:04:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                          Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:23:00 Andy Murray
                                                                                             Re:Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:39:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                response to Andy10/09/15 12:32:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:44:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 16:18:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:48:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 17:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 18:37:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 07:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 09:12:00 Brian Coyle
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 17:25:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:12:00 Brian Coyle
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:40:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:58:00 Brendan McCarthy
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:41:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:14:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:17:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 10:48:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 11:23:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                        Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 07:27:00 Patrick N OConnor
                           Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:57:00 Liz Combes
                                 Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:10:00 Liz Combes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road23/10/15 11:02:00 Patrick N OConnor
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 10:27:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:24:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:29:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 14:34:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 15:18:00 Richard Greenhough
                  The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 15:49:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:07:00 Brian Coyle
                        Cllr Sam Hearn is correct 23/10/15 16:37:00 Andy Murray
                        Re:Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:41:00 Brendan McCarthy
                           To Andy23/10/15 16:50:00 Brendan McCarthy
                              Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:29:00 Andy Murray
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:46:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                    Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 10:01:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 15:25:00 Patrick N OConnor
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 19:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                    Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 04:38:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 08:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 13:00:00 Cllr Sam Hearn

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