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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 10/09/15 11:25:00

James it's an extremely good question, and one that the council has never bothered to ask.

Over many years (almost ten I think - Andy Murray is the expert archivist on all this) there have been multiple attempts by the council to get a CPZ into Grove Park. ON every occasion, there has been a huge uprising of local feeling at council meetings, special meetings, scrutiny meetings and so on, resulting every time in the Council backing down and admitting that Grove Park simply does not want CPZ in any form. 92% of residents against is such an overwhelming majority, that a while back the council seemed to admit defeat, stating that "This matter has now been resolved once and for all". If only they had left it at that.

So why such strong feeling against?

Funnily enough, the main reasons seem to be nothing to do with cars or parking. Everyone in GP knows we have problems with parking. But we live in an unusually beautiful area, with trees, lovely old houses, little shopping parades, and reasonably clean uncluttered streets. We are surrounded on all sides by lovely public areas - Chiswick House, the Riverside, and so on.

Many residents value this enormously and simply don't want the streets to become cluttered up with all the ugly street furniture that comes with CPZ (signposts, meters, road markings, and so on). It would simply spoil the look and feel of the place. They also fear the simply inconvenience of getting permits, paying for them, and having uniformed officers wandering about slapping fines on your car if your permit is out of date or you have an unexpected visitor. It's all a hassle that many simply don't want.

And they prefer to manage the hassle of dense parking, rather than suffer all the problems of a CPZ. The lesser of two evils, if you will.

Let me be clear - I am NOT explaining my own personal view here. I am simply answering your question (what are the main reasons for those against it?"). This is what we have been hearing for may years from those residents who are so vehemently against it.

In the last three years, another reason has developed. It is now so clear that the council, led by lead member Cllr Mayne and a small band of his close friends in Park Road, engineered the introduction of a 2-road CPZ in Park & Staveley Road, against all logic (they all have their own off street parking!!), and through a series of blatantly misleading arguments about displacement from the Chiswick House car park and so on.

Most people now know that we were hoodwinked and duped into having this 2-road CPZ foisted upon us, and it has made a lot of local residents very angry indeed at the way the council has ridden rough over the wishes of the majority.

So each time the traffic office have tried to extend the CPZ beyond these two roads into the wider Grove Park area, the number of residents getting increasingly angry at their deceitful and manipulative behavior has grown. And this is why you may sense a growing opposition to the CPZ - simply because many people now recognise that the council are treating us all with contempt.

SO it's  really not about where we park our cars. It's about people getting very angry at a council trying to spoil the look and feel of our local area, and behaving in an increasingly contemptuous manner to try and impose all this upon us.

I think that is the answer to your question.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 21:44:00 James Mcconnell
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:05:00 Brian Coyle
      Grove Park CPZ again - but with a narrower remit04/09/15 23:45:00 Andy Murray
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:45:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 05:43:00 Brendan McCarthy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 07:12:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 11:42:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 12:36:00 Madeleine Hazard
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 15:02:00 Brendan McCarthy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 08:19:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:26:00 Jason Wiltshire
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:50:00 Dan Murphy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:37:00 Simon Meyers
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:55:00 Dan Murphy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 12:12:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:30:00 Jim Brown
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:57:00 Jo Roberts
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 08:49:00 Dan Murphy
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 10:30:00 Brian Coyle
                                                      Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 10:46:00 Andy Murray
                                                         Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:03:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:27:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                            Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 11:27:00 Andy Murray
                                                               Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:26:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                  Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:34:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:10:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:19:00 Colin Jordan
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 20:47:00 Lucy Dunkerley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:28:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 17:56:00 Lou Valdini
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 08:19:00 James Robinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 09:40:00 Pete Johnson
                                                                                    Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:34:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:01:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:55:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:11:00 James Robinson
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:25:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 12:00:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 18:42:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ11/09/15 09:04:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                          Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:23:00 Andy Murray
                                                                                             Re:Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:39:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                response to Andy10/09/15 12:32:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:44:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 16:18:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:48:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 17:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 18:37:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 07:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 09:12:00 Brian Coyle
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 17:25:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:12:00 Brian Coyle
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:40:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:58:00 Brendan McCarthy
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:41:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:14:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:17:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 10:48:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 11:23:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                        Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 07:27:00 Patrick N OConnor
                           Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:57:00 Liz Combes
                                 Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:10:00 Liz Combes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road23/10/15 11:02:00 Patrick N OConnor
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 10:27:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:24:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:29:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 14:34:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 15:18:00 Richard Greenhough
                  The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 15:49:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:07:00 Brian Coyle
                        Cllr Sam Hearn is correct 23/10/15 16:37:00 Andy Murray
                        Re:Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:41:00 Brendan McCarthy
                           To Andy23/10/15 16:50:00 Brendan McCarthy
                              Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:29:00 Andy Murray
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:46:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                    Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 10:01:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 15:25:00 Patrick N OConnor
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 19:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                    Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 04:38:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 08:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 13:00:00 Cllr Sam Hearn

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