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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 07/09/15 08:19:00

Brendan is correct - EVERYONE in the W4 3 postcode (GP) should receive a consultation.

The reason for this is REALLY important, and it is why EVERYONE should bother to respond.

Following the 2-road CPZ, all the adjacent roads naturally suffered the immediate displacement from a very large number of cars.

As a result (and as we all predicted, despite the traffic department telling us "there will be minimal displacement" - where did they think all the cars were going to park then?) residents in those roads suddenly lodged petitions and requests for a CPZ in their road, which would have the effect of displacing the cars into the next roads, and so on.

On several previous occasions (going back many years), the council policy had always been very clear, and available on the LBH website: "We will never implement any CPZ into one or two roads, as all this does is displace cars into neighbouring roads. Any CPZ must be on an area wide basis, or not at all".

But when the council realised that overwhelming feelings of GP residents was AGAINST any CPZ, they quietly removed this policy from their website and simply implemented the 2-road CPZ and then sat back and waited for the requests for further road-by-road requests to come rolling in. Which, of course, they did, as they suffered the effects of displacement from Park & Staveley Roads.

The traffic department then proposed running a consultation with ONLY those roads who had requested a CPZ in their road.. of course, they would all say yes.

BUT our Area Forum made a very clear policy decision that any consultation on CPZ extension must include ALL AFFECTED ROADS. Not simply the roads which had asked for it. And it was now clear that this meant ALL residents in GP, not simply those roads which were asking for their own CPZ.

Despite this, the traffic department went ahead and sent consultation papers ONLY to the roads which had asked for CPZ. They tried to get around the Area Forum ruling by allowing other GP residents to object or give their views via the LBH website. Of course, they never publicised this web facility, so the only people who actually knew about the consultation were those roads which had asked for CPZ.

This is how the Traffic Department operates.

Luckily, the Area Forum got pretty cheesed off at this obvious attempt to circumvent the correct procedure, and called a public meeting to discuss the matter. The result was that the flawed limited consultation was discarded (at considerable cost, which we all paid for). Nobody in the traffic department was ever disciplined for this gross and deliberate breach of process, of course.

The Area Forum issued a clear instruction to the traffic department that they must issue consultation documents to ALL AFFECTED residents, and made it clear that this meant ALL GP residents, as it was now beyond any argument that a CPZ in one road (eventually) affects ALL local residents as the displacement ripples move out.

The traffic department (reluctantly) agreed to this. This is the latest consultation which everyone in GP should be receiving now.

But the traffic department knows that only a tiny minority of residents can be bothered to respond to such consultations. They are relying on the fact that only the residents in those roads who have asked for their own CPZ will respond. Other roads will take a look at it and say "this doesn't affect me, I won't bother responding".

And this is why it is critical that everyone responds. Otherwise, the traffic department can safely say "a majority of responses received were in favour of a CPZ".

They are hoping that the vast majority of residents across the wider GP will not bother to respond, and to be honest they are probably right, based on previous responses.

If the traffic department are right, then  the responses received will be in favour of a CPZ in these few roads. They know only those people will bother to respond.

Neighbouring roads will then find their roads totally crammed with displaced cars, but it will be too late for them, and too late for the rest of GP.

This is the opportunity for everyone in GP to respond and make their views known. Let's just hope that people can be bothered, the council are relying on widespread apathy.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 21:44:00 James Mcconnell
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:05:00 Brian Coyle
      Grove Park CPZ again - but with a narrower remit04/09/15 23:45:00 Andy Murray
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:45:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 05:43:00 Brendan McCarthy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 07:12:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 11:42:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 12:36:00 Madeleine Hazard
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 15:02:00 Brendan McCarthy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 08:19:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:26:00 Jason Wiltshire
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:50:00 Dan Murphy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:37:00 Simon Meyers
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:55:00 Dan Murphy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 12:12:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:30:00 Jim Brown
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:57:00 Jo Roberts
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 08:49:00 Dan Murphy
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 10:30:00 Brian Coyle
                                                      Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 10:46:00 Andy Murray
                                                         Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:03:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:27:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                            Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 11:27:00 Andy Murray
                                                               Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:26:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                  Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:34:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:10:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:19:00 Colin Jordan
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 20:47:00 Lucy Dunkerley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:28:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 17:56:00 Lou Valdini
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 08:19:00 James Robinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 09:40:00 Pete Johnson
                                                                                    Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:34:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:01:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:55:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:11:00 James Robinson
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:25:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 12:00:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 18:42:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ11/09/15 09:04:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                          Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:23:00 Andy Murray
                                                                                             Re:Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:39:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                response to Andy10/09/15 12:32:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:44:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 16:18:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:48:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 17:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 18:37:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 07:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 09:12:00 Brian Coyle
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 17:25:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:12:00 Brian Coyle
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:40:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:58:00 Brendan McCarthy
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:41:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:14:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:17:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 10:48:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 11:23:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                        Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 07:27:00 Patrick N OConnor
                           Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:57:00 Liz Combes
                                 Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:10:00 Liz Combes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road23/10/15 11:02:00 Patrick N OConnor
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 10:27:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:24:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:29:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 14:34:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 15:18:00 Richard Greenhough
                  The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 15:49:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:07:00 Brian Coyle
                        Cllr Sam Hearn is correct 23/10/15 16:37:00 Andy Murray
                        Re:Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:41:00 Brendan McCarthy
                           To Andy23/10/15 16:50:00 Brendan McCarthy
                              Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:29:00 Andy Murray
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:46:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                    Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 10:01:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 15:25:00 Patrick N OConnor
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 19:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                    Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 04:38:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 08:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 13:00:00 Cllr Sam Hearn

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