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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 07/09/15 10:50:00

Hi Jason

I was quite heavily involved in this whole CPZ thing since June 2012 when it first became clear that Cllr. Mayne was going to ignore all the previous decisions regarding CPZ in Grove Park. He decided that he was going to force a CPZ into Park & Staveley Roads, despite the overwhelming views of GP residents against any CPZ.

The further I looked into it (along with the admirable Andy Murray, who was Chair of the Grove Park association at the time) and a dedicated band of other concerned residents, the more it became clear that the entire case for CPZ was based upon a web of lies and deceit.

To be honest, I learned that our council, and in particular the traffic department had decided that GP was going to get an area wide CPZ, and that any and all objections would be ignored; consultations would be manipulated; and difficult questions would be batted away with lies or other legalese / technicalities. It was truly shocking to see their blatant disregard for any transparent democracy.

I have to say I was thoroughly exhausted (and depressed) by the entire experience. I came to the conclusion that our council are a bunch of scheming weasels who know they can do what they want, and ignore the views of the majority of residents. And that turned out to be true. Even when clear written evidence of blatant lies were sent to the Ombudsman, we were told to stop moaning about it. The response I got from the Ombudsman was "Who appointed you as the activist voice of Grove Park residents? You seem to be someone who just likes making a fuss about things which do not concern you".

That is, concerned about our councilors lying to us. I was told to stop being a busybody.

So to be honest, I am not sure I want to get into it again. I spent 3 years (with Andy and others) gathering evidence, writing to councillors, attending meetings, submitting FOIs, involving the Ombudsman, and spending hundreds of hours trying to get the council to play fair.

It was all a total waste of time. They know they can ignore us, and they do.

There is no point in appealing to the council's sense of fair play, they don't have one.

The only way we can have an effect is if the 90% of Grove Park residents who are against any further CPZ, actually complete the consultation forms and send them back. But my view is that the vast majority of residents, whilst being against it (and we know they are, the council has the evidence of the previous door-to-door petition showing that 92% of residents are against CPZ), they simply don't bother to fill in these consultation forms.

Aside from that, the council will ignore anything else we have to say.

So I have to say I am reluctant to get involved again.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 21:44:00 James Mcconnell
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:05:00 Brian Coyle
      Grove Park CPZ again - but with a narrower remit04/09/15 23:45:00 Andy Murray
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:45:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 05:43:00 Brendan McCarthy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 07:12:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 11:42:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 12:36:00 Madeleine Hazard
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 15:02:00 Brendan McCarthy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 08:19:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:26:00 Jason Wiltshire
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:50:00 Dan Murphy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:37:00 Simon Meyers
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:55:00 Dan Murphy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 12:12:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:30:00 Jim Brown
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:57:00 Jo Roberts
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 08:49:00 Dan Murphy
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 10:30:00 Brian Coyle
                                                      Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 10:46:00 Andy Murray
                                                         Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:03:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:27:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                            Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 11:27:00 Andy Murray
                                                               Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:26:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                  Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:34:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:10:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:19:00 Colin Jordan
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 20:47:00 Lucy Dunkerley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:28:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 17:56:00 Lou Valdini
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 08:19:00 James Robinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 09:40:00 Pete Johnson
                                                                                    Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:34:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:01:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:55:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:11:00 James Robinson
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:25:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 12:00:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 18:42:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ11/09/15 09:04:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                          Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:23:00 Andy Murray
                                                                                             Re:Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:39:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                response to Andy10/09/15 12:32:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:44:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 16:18:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:48:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 17:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 18:37:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 07:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 09:12:00 Brian Coyle
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 17:25:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:12:00 Brian Coyle
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:40:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:58:00 Brendan McCarthy
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:41:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:14:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:17:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 10:48:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 11:23:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                        Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 07:27:00 Patrick N OConnor
                           Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:57:00 Liz Combes
                                 Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:10:00 Liz Combes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road23/10/15 11:02:00 Patrick N OConnor
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 10:27:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:24:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:29:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 14:34:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 15:18:00 Richard Greenhough
                  The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 15:49:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:07:00 Brian Coyle
                        Cllr Sam Hearn is correct 23/10/15 16:37:00 Andy Murray
                        Re:Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:41:00 Brendan McCarthy
                           To Andy23/10/15 16:50:00 Brendan McCarthy
                              Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:29:00 Andy Murray
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:46:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                    Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 10:01:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 15:25:00 Patrick N OConnor
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 19:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                    Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 04:38:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 08:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 13:00:00 Cllr Sam Hearn

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