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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 05/09/15 07:12:00

"...He cannot be blind to what is happening to the streets immediately around where he lives..."

Of course he isn't. Everyone who lives in GP is aware of the parking problems we have, and the fact that non-residents park here. It would be pretty hard to miss it.

Andy is making a totally different point.

You (and others) may feel that the only possible solution is an area wide CPZ. Without doubt, there are a number of people in GP who hold this view (the minority of residents in Park & Staveley Roads, and a number of residents in Elmwood, and others). But we also know that the vast majority of residents in the area do not want a CPZ, at least when they were last asked.

Hounslow Council's position in all of  this has been iniquitous from the start. As with wheelie bins, they decided that we would be getting a CPZ,no matter what residents said.

1. The car park in Chiswick House would cause "massive" displacement into  neighbouring roads, and so a CPZ is the only sensible solution (there was never any displacement from that car park, because there were never any commuters parking there - which everyone, including the council knew from the start).

2. The CPZ in Park & Staveley Roads will only cause "minimal" displacement into neighbouring roads, so this is not a valid objection to the 2-road CPZ. See what they've done here? Over here the "displacement is inevitable" and "massive", but over here it will only be "minimal" if at all.

3. And now they are doing exactly what wee always said they would, using a road by road approach to gradually extend the CPZ across the entire GP area. And in each road, they say "and if the roads neighbouring you ask for a CPZ, with the "inevitable" displacement this will cause, would you want a CPZ then?"

So now the displacement is "inevitable" again.

It's not the fact that we have parking problems, we all know that anyway (well, ironically the only GP residents who don't, and who never had parking problems are the residents in Park Road, the vast majority of whom continue to park their cars in their driveways, as they always did!!)

LBH lied to us consistently about the CPZ. They lied about the traffic research into possible displacement from the Car Park. They ignored consultation results, and manipulated the numbers to ignore everyone who said they "didn't have a problem" with parking. They failed to address the 400+ objections to the CPZ, which they promised to do. And when they started the process of extending the CPZ into other GP roads, their attempts to bullldoze through the process set out by our Area Forum meant that their first attempt had to be scrapped as it was so biased and misleading. (Who pays for that?) 

So the Council will succeed with getting a CPZ into all of GP, regardless of what the majority of residents say.

They will lie, they will ignore due process, they will issue misleading consultation results, and they will issue consultation letters with highly misleading and biased questions, as Andy has pointed out above.

For myself, my experience trying to get the Council and Traffic department to address residents' concerns, or even to tell us the truth, was extremely depressing. I have learned that it is a total waste of time, and that the council will put a CPZ into GP regardless of any due process.

That's what makes people like Andy and me annoyed. Not the parking problems, or that we have some other magic solution. Of course we don't.

We just wish our council would not lie to us, and continually bypass the system when they want to do something that is against the wishes of the majority of residents.

It's just depressing.

So no, I won't be actively opposing this extension of the CPZ, and I won't be speaking to anyone at the council about it. Because I know they will do what they want regardless of anything I, or any other residents, have to say about it.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 21:44:00 James Mcconnell
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:05:00 Brian Coyle
      Grove Park CPZ again - but with a narrower remit04/09/15 23:45:00 Andy Murray
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again04/09/15 23:45:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 05:43:00 Brendan McCarthy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 07:12:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again05/09/15 11:42:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 12:36:00 Madeleine Hazard
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again06/09/15 15:02:00 Brendan McCarthy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 08:19:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:26:00 Jason Wiltshire
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 10:50:00 Dan Murphy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:37:00 Simon Meyers
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 11:55:00 Dan Murphy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 12:12:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:30:00 Jim Brown
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again07/09/15 17:57:00 Jo Roberts
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 08:49:00 Dan Murphy
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again08/09/15 10:30:00 Brian Coyle
                                                      Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 10:46:00 Andy Murray
                                                         Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:03:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ consultation again - but maybe not to all08/09/15 11:27:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                            Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 11:27:00 Andy Murray
                                                               Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:26:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                  Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 12:34:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:10:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:19:00 Colin Jordan
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 20:47:00 Lucy Dunkerley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers08/09/15 13:28:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers09/09/15 17:56:00 Lou Valdini
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 08:19:00 James Robinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Consultations to flat dwellers10/09/15 09:40:00 Pete Johnson
                                                                                    Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:34:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:01:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                       Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 10:55:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                          Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:11:00 James Robinson
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:25:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 12:00:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ10/09/15 18:42:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Need for a CPZ11/09/15 09:04:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                          Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:23:00 Andy Murray
                                                                                             Re:Need for a CPZ - not for flats, though10/09/15 11:39:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                response to Andy10/09/15 12:32:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:44:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 16:18:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                   Re:response to Andy10/09/15 13:48:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                                      Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 17:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:response to Andy10/09/15 18:37:00 Bob Guyett
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 07:53:00 James Robinson
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:response to Andy11/09/15 09:12:00 Brian Coyle
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 17:25:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:12:00 Brian Coyle
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:40:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again20/10/15 19:58:00 Brendan McCarthy
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 09:41:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:14:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again21/10/15 10:17:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 10:48:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road21/10/15 11:23:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                        Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 07:27:00 Patrick N OConnor
                           Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:37:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road22/10/15 09:57:00 Liz Combes
                                 Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Harvard Road CPZ22/10/15 10:10:00 Liz Combes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Yellow lines along Sutton Court Road23/10/15 11:02:00 Patrick N OConnor
   Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 10:27:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:24:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again22/10/15 11:29:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 14:34:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park CPZ again23/10/15 15:18:00 Richard Greenhough
                  The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 15:49:00 Patrick N OConnor
                     Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:07:00 Brian Coyle
                        Cllr Sam Hearn is correct 23/10/15 16:37:00 Andy Murray
                        Re:Re:The decision remains with the 9 wise men23/10/15 16:41:00 Brendan McCarthy
                           To Andy23/10/15 16:50:00 Brendan McCarthy
                              Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:29:00 Andy Murray
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 17:46:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                    Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 10:01:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Ed Mayne24/10/15 15:25:00 Patrick N OConnor
                                 Re:Re:To Brendan23/10/15 19:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                    Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 04:38:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 08:15:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To Brendan24/10/15 13:00:00 Cllr Sam Hearn

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