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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax
Posted by: Tom Pike
Date/Time: 01/05/15 11:10:00

Lorne, I outlined the problem with your calculations that I hoped would make it clear without going into details. To be explicit, you put nearly all of the revenue raising load into homes above £3m to calculate an average bill of £19,600, and on that basis calculate for these homes a loss in value of £1m at a 2.5% discount rate (it should actually be £800k, but that's the least of you errors) and a loss in stamp duty of £120k. You then apply that loss in revenue to all 100,000 homes, not just the 56% above £3m that have taken the big  hit in value. But below £3m, the £2,500 tax you've calculated equates to a loss in value of £100,000, and just a £12k loss in stamp duty for the 44% of property in that bracket, not £120k.  I hope that makes your error here clear.

The CEBR analysis gave a loss in revenue of around £350m a year. Putting in the stamp duties of 2014 into your calculation, £70k rather than £120k you use at the new rates, gives a loss of £700m a year by your calculation, double the CEBR figure, and not the same number as you claim.

I don't know why you think I agree the mansion tax causes an overall loss in revenue. I clearly don't and both mine and the CEBR's figures show otherwise. I also don't understand how you can believe that the reduction in overall taxation on property you calculate is associated with a fall in value. If you believe your own figures, you'd be best off keeping quiet about all this, and hoping for a mansion tax sooner rather than later.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 09:38:00 Lorne Gifford
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 11:03:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 11:43:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 14:50:00 Lorne Gifford
      Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 15:54:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 16:02:00 Paul Green
         David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 29/04/15 16:10:00 Claudia Jachtmann
            Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 29/04/15 16:57:00 Lorne Gifford
               Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 29/04/15 17:55:00 Peter Millman
                  Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 08:17:00 Lorne Gifford
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 10:26:00 Colin Jordan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 14:20:00 Guy Lambert
                           Re:Labour's con-trick30/04/15 14:27:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 14:28:00 Lorne Gifford
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:please call it by its's appropriate  name 30/04/15 14:35:00 Adrian Irving
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 14:41:00 Lorne Gifford
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 18:40:00 David McLoughlin
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 21:41:00 Lorne Gifford
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 21:59:00 Lorne Gifford
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 22:05:00 Pete Mayes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 22:18:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 23:14:00 Pete Mayes
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 13:08:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 13:39:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:00:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:07:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:29:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:37:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:48:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:02:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:43:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:44:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:59:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 16:20:00 Jonathan Bingham
                              CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 07:32:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 08:27:00 Lorne Gifford
                                    Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:00:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:13:00 Lorne Gifford
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:48:00 Paul Green
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:59:00 Lorne Gifford
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 11:28:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 11:10:00 Tom Pike
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax02/05/15 17:13:00 Lorne Gifford
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax02/05/15 17:15:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 18:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 19:30:00 Alan Clark
                                                      Re:Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 21:07:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 19:34:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                      Re:Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 20:33:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 21:41:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Osborne's Mansion Tax03/05/15 10:18:00 Tom Pike
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:04:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:31:00 David McLoughlin
         Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:54:00 Paul Green
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:59:00 Lorne Gifford
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 13:28:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 13:46:00 Lorne Gifford
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 14:23:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 15:25:00 Richard Greenhough
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 13:46:00 Adrian Irving

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