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Topic: Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax
Posted by: Tom Pike
Date/Time: 01/05/15 10:00:00

Lorne, sorry, your calculations are clearly wrong. You've misapplied the averages from one set to both and have inconsistently applied a discount rate. You certainly have to divide by the annual rate that the tax is collected, but you also have to take into account that after the first year the loss of revenue is in the future.

The CEBR figures are miles away from yours, and a change in the stamp duty doesn't come close to explaining the difference. And the increase in stamp duty actually brings the current taxation regime much closer to proposed mansion tax, and so the marginal effect of introducing it is decreased. On those grounds the CEBR figures will be an overestimate of the revenue lost since the new rate was introduced.

There's a huge difference between suppressing demand at the high end, as the recent increases in stamp duty will have done, and a wholescale price collapse. There's just no current evidence for the scenario you outline. What's much more likely to cause a crash, if history is any guide, is a continuous ramping up of house prices. 

The error in your calculations can be most obviously seen as it leads to a mansion tax producing a lower rate of overall taxation for those who pay it, taking into account the reductions you predict in stamp duty and inheritance tax. That would imply firstly that the strongest advocates of a mansion tax should be those who are going to pay it, as their overall tax bills will be cut. Secondly, it leads to a contradiction, as if the overall tax bill on these properties is cut, their value should rise not fall as your calculations assume.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 09:38:00 Lorne Gifford
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 11:03:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 11:43:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 14:50:00 Lorne Gifford
      Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 15:54:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 16:02:00 Paul Green
         David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 29/04/15 16:10:00 Claudia Jachtmann
            Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 29/04/15 16:57:00 Lorne Gifford
               Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 29/04/15 17:55:00 Peter Millman
                  Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 08:17:00 Lorne Gifford
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 10:26:00 Colin Jordan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 14:20:00 Guy Lambert
                           Re:Labour's con-trick30/04/15 14:27:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 14:28:00 Lorne Gifford
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:please call it by its's appropriate  name 30/04/15 14:35:00 Adrian Irving
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 14:41:00 Lorne Gifford
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 18:40:00 David McLoughlin
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 21:41:00 Lorne Gifford
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 21:59:00 Lorne Gifford
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 22:05:00 Pete Mayes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 22:18:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 23:14:00 Pete Mayes
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 13:08:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 13:39:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:00:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:07:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:29:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:37:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:48:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:02:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:43:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:44:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:59:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 16:20:00 Jonathan Bingham
                              CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 07:32:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 08:27:00 Lorne Gifford
                                    Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:00:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:13:00 Lorne Gifford
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:48:00 Paul Green
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:59:00 Lorne Gifford
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 11:28:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 11:10:00 Tom Pike
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax02/05/15 17:13:00 Lorne Gifford
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax02/05/15 17:15:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 18:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 19:30:00 Alan Clark
                                                      Re:Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 21:07:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 19:34:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                      Re:Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 20:33:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 21:41:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Osborne's Mansion Tax03/05/15 10:18:00 Tom Pike
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:04:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:31:00 David McLoughlin
         Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:54:00 Paul Green
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:59:00 Lorne Gifford
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 13:28:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 13:46:00 Lorne Gifford
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 14:23:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 15:25:00 Richard Greenhough
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 13:46:00 Adrian Irving

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