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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury
Posted by: Lorne Gifford
Date/Time: 30/04/15 14:28:00

Thank you Guy for your response.  I PM'd David and he has said he will pass the question to Ruth, so I will await a response.  In answer to your questions here is what I said to David:

There are numerous references available on the internet, perhaps the easiest of which is the CEBR Economic Review on Mansion Tax. Although the CEBR review was conducted before the raising of stamp duty rates, it nicely shows the consequences of introducing this type of property value tax on the value of homes.

The mathematics are also very simple and straightforward and are repeated below for your information:

£3.5m is the average mansion value today (ie the average of all property valued at more than £2m). 
Of around 100,000 mansions, 44% are in the value range £2m to £3m and 56% are in the £3m+ range.
44,000 homes at £2,500 per year each equals £110m in revenue. 
Remaining £1.1bn to be collected from the other 56% of homes requires an average bill per year of £1.1bn/56,000 = £19,600.

Present cost of a £20k into perpetuity annual tax at the current bank interest rate of 2.5% = £1m
Value of a £3.5m mansion after introduction of the new tax = £2.5m
Stamp duty paid on £3.5m value = £335,000
Stamp duty paid on £2.5m value = £214,000
Loss of stamp duty revenue = £121,000

100,000 'mansions' in this country and average ownership time is 10 years between selling so overall stamp duty loss of revenue each year is 100,000 x 1/10 x 121,000 = £1.2bn

Inheritance tax on current £3.5m value = £1.3m Inheritance tax on new £2.5m value = £870k
Loss of revenue on death of owner = £430k

100,000 'mansions' and their owners die on average once every 40 years (you only own a mansion for around half your life) so inheritance tax loss of revenue each year is 100,000 x 1/40 x 430,000 = £1.1bn

Overall loss of revenue from introducing mansion tax is therefore £1.2bn + £1.1bn = £2.3bn

As you can see, the numbers simply don't work out as showing any kind of benefit at all to overall tax revenue. 
All that Mansion tax does it to evaporate £1m of value from every typical mansion.  The evaporation of wealth is the downside of the free creation of wealth that our FIAT monetary system allows. 

It is quite simply the worst kind of economic policy possible.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 09:38:00 Lorne Gifford
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 11:03:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 11:43:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 14:50:00 Lorne Gifford
      Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 15:54:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert29/04/15 16:02:00 Paul Green
         David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 29/04/15 16:10:00 Claudia Jachtmann
            Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 29/04/15 16:57:00 Lorne Gifford
               Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 29/04/15 17:55:00 Peter Millman
                  Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 08:17:00 Lorne Gifford
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 10:26:00 Colin Jordan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 14:20:00 Guy Lambert
                           Re:Labour's con-trick30/04/15 14:27:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 14:28:00 Lorne Gifford
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:please call it by its's appropriate  name 30/04/15 14:35:00 Adrian Irving
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 14:41:00 Lorne Gifford
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 18:40:00 David McLoughlin
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 21:41:00 Lorne Gifford
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 21:59:00 Lorne Gifford
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 22:05:00 Pete Mayes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 22:18:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 30/04/15 23:14:00 Pete Mayes
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 13:08:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 13:39:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:00:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:07:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:29:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:37:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 14:48:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:02:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:43:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:44:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 15:59:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:David McLoughlin has a direct line into Ruth Cadbury 01/05/15 16:20:00 Jonathan Bingham
                              CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 07:32:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 08:27:00 Lorne Gifford
                                    Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:00:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:13:00 Lorne Gifford
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:48:00 Paul Green
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 10:59:00 Lorne Gifford
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 11:28:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax01/05/15 11:10:00 Tom Pike
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax02/05/15 17:13:00 Lorne Gifford
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CEBR figures and effects of a Mansion Tax02/05/15 17:15:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 18:58:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 19:30:00 Alan Clark
                                                      Re:Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 21:07:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 19:34:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                      Re:Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 20:33:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Osbourne's Mansion Tax02/05/15 21:41:00 Lorne Gifford
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Osborne's Mansion Tax03/05/15 10:18:00 Tom Pike
   Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:04:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:31:00 David McLoughlin
         Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:54:00 Paul Green
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 11:59:00 Lorne Gifford
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 13:28:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 13:46:00 Lorne Gifford
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 14:23:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 15:25:00 Richard Greenhough
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mansion / Property tax question for Ruth Cadbury / Guy Lambert01/05/15 13:46:00 Adrian Irving

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