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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under
Posted by: Thomas Barry
Date/Time: 09/02/15 17:09:00

"Which will eventually only take the traffic back to its former level."

*examines latest Travel In London Report 7*

When is this supposed to happen? TiL7 covers this in some depth, comparing the same cohorts from 1991 through 2001 to 2011 and while it does indeed show that older drivers drive more this is mainly because they drove more when they were younger and as you get older you drive less, not unsurprisingly.  Demand for driving amongst older people doesn't appear to be related to the amount of roadspace available.

From p.59 of TiL7:

'Figure 2.36 shows car driver trip rates for an average weekday by age and gender, comparing 1991 and 2011. The relationship between age and car driver trip rates takes the form of an inverted U-shaped curve for both men and women. In 1991, both genders show peak car driver trip rates in their 40s, which is also the case for women in 2011. However in 2011, car driver trip rates for men peak at 60-64. The figure demonstrates a general lag effect, where the highest car driver trip rates are drifting towards older age groups.'

"it can free up space above street level to build homes, shops and businesses etc."

Where? The flyover is mostly built over other roads, so unless you remove them as well there's no space to build anything (there's a tiny bit just south of the church that's not over much, to be fair, but it's miniscule).  Most of the land shown as buildable on the feasibility studies is actually covered by access roads to the A4 and buildings they want to demolish, including part of the Hop Poles pub.

"And insofar as it may re-unite Hammersmith with the removal of the flyover, then that should be a bonus."

As a mental exercise, find a map of Hammersmith and rub out the flyover. You find you've still got a massive amount of surface roads separating the centre from the river and indeed the centre from other bits of the centre.


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Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 11:49:00 Tim Henderson
   Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 12:10:00 Michael Robinson
      Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 12:14:00 Tim Henderson
         Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 12:44:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 13:11:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 13:25:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 13:51:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 14:02:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 14:30:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 14:35:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 15:04:00 Thomas Barry
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 15:14:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 15:36:00 Thomas Barry
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 15:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 18:04:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 14:44:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 14:41:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 15:22:00 Adrian Irving
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 15:33:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 15:54:00 Richard Cathcart
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 16:18:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 16:34:00 Richard Cathcart
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 16:57:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under11/02/15 08:47:00 Thomas Barry
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 17:09:00 Thomas Barry
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under09/02/15 15:56:00 Thomas Barry
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under10/02/15 11:36:00 Paul Corcoran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris releases schematic of the Hammersmith fly-under11/02/15 00:19:00 David Giles
                                       Airbrushing of history11/02/15 08:37:00 Thomas Barry
                                          Re:Airbrushing of history11/02/15 13:20:00 Richard Greenhough
                                             Re:Re:Airbrushing of history11/02/15 13:51:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Airbrushing of history11/02/15 18:47:00 Thomas Barry
                                             Re:Re:Airbrushing of history11/02/15 15:17:00 Adrian Irving
                                                Re:Re:Re:Airbrushing of history12/02/15 01:59:00 Guy Lambert
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Airbrushing of history12/02/15 08:48:00 Thomas Barry
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Airbrushing of history12/02/15 10:06:00 Tim Henderson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Airbrushing of history12/02/15 13:12:00 Jonathan Bingham
   Long and short tunnels - councillors' opinion please?13/02/15 10:12:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Long and short tunnels - councillors' opinion please?13/02/15 10:48:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Long and short tunnels - councillors' opinion please?13/02/15 11:08:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Long and short tunnels - councillors' opinion please?13/02/15 11:39:00 Richard Greenhough
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Long and short tunnels - councillors' opinion please?13/02/15 11:59:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Long and short tunnels - councillors' opinion please?13/02/15 12:53:00 Thomas Barry
   Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick14/02/15 23:12:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick15/02/15 09:17:00 Chris Blishen
         Re:Re:Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick15/02/15 10:08:00 Thomas Barry
            Re:Re:Re:Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick15/02/15 11:18:00 Chris Blishen
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick15/02/15 15:14:00 Thomas Barry
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick15/02/15 16:07:00 Chris Blishen
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick15/02/15 22:52:00 Thomas Barry
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick15/02/15 17:22:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick15/02/15 23:23:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Engineers' view of what the tunnel construction would mean in Chiswick16/02/15 09:45:00 Richard Greenhough

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