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Topic: Re:Bad Manners
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 10/01/12 10:07:00

Thomas, when I said that we should be grateful that Chris has chosen to comment I was not meaning to be sarcastic. Given that he used to be a much more regular, popular and valued contributor to this forum the presumption is that the Council's policy is not one that has been determined by him.

The Council has introduced a series of measures which will have a significant impact on many people's lives and has done so without any consultation which under the circumstance is understandable. However, they do have an obligation to explain and justify the measures they have taken. In particularly I think people would like an explanation as to why, if TfL are still indicating there is a chance that the flyover could be open this month, if only to limited traffic, are these measures being rushed through.

This forum provides a perfect medium for them to argue the case for their measures. Of course people will be upset and unhappy but in the past Chris has argued with force for schemes which initially the majority of people were hostile to and he has managed to make people better understand why he thinks they are necessary. At the moment the consensus appears to be that Hounslow Council have introduced these measures primarily for the purpose of raising revenue from an area which doesn't vote for them. If 24 hour bus lanes are a good thing in themselve why not introduce them across the whole borough?

Your patrician attitude in dismissing those that get tickets after the changes as 'Those who can't read roadsigns' is pretty shabby. People who haven't benefitted from your education or have come to this country for work probably also don't enjoy the level of income that you do and the fines they receive will be a significant part of their disposable income.

Also to expect people to recheck roadsigns everytime they park in a place where they have parked many times before is daft. I was surprised to hear there is no statutory obligation on Council's to publicise such changes. It was clear from last Sunday that there were a significant number of people who were unaware of the changes as numerous cars were parked in newly restricted areas. Net result is no benefit to reducing congestion and a fine bonanza for the Council which adds weight to belief that this is the true purpose of these measures.

I have never claimed to be an expert in this area but you don't appear to one either. Even the most hawkish anti-car transport experts will acknowledge that the initial impact of reducing road capacity is to increase congestion. They argue that in the long term modal shift and traffic 'evaporation' will eventually reduce congestion. As the hope is that at this stage Hammersmith flyover will be reopened at the latest by June the short term impact is all that matters. 


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick06/01/12 19:44:00 James Mcconnell
   Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick06/01/12 19:46:00 C Wynne
      Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick06/01/12 19:56:00 Tessa Russell
         Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick06/01/12 19:59:00 C Wynne
      Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick06/01/12 19:56:00 Andrew Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick06/01/12 20:50:00 James Mcconnell
   Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick06/01/12 20:05:00 Judy Miller
      Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick06/01/12 20:10:00 Tessa Russell
         Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick06/01/12 20:13:00 Michael Brown
   Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 11:46:00 Francis Rowe
      Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 12:04:00 Jonathan Bingham
   Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 12:09:00 Peter Smith
      Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 12:28:00 Iain Muir
         Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 12:49:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 13:50:00 James Mcconnell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 14:16:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 14:18:00 C Wynne
               Sunday parking 07/01/12 18:43:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
               Bad Manners08/01/12 09:41:00 Thomas Barry
                  Re:Bad Manners08/01/12 12:40:00 Michael Brown
                     Re:Re:Bad Manners08/01/12 12:46:00 Oliver Gibb
                        Re:Re:Re:Bad Manners08/01/12 12:48:00 Michael Brown
                  Re:Bad Manners10/01/12 10:07:00 Francis Rowe
         Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 12:49:00 Michael Brown
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 13:10:00 C Wynne
            Reality check08/01/12 10:01:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Reality check08/01/12 12:12:00 Michael Brown
   Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 13:07:00 Will Watson
      Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 13:13:00 Michael Brown
         Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 13:35:00 Paul Green
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 14:04:00 Ceref Devin
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 14:05:00 Ceref Devin
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 18:44:00 David Giles
                     When did the signage get changed07/01/12 22:25:00 Andrew Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick07/01/12 23:10:00 Guy Lambert
   Idiots07/01/12 23:24:00 Matthew Barnard
      Re:Idiots07/01/12 23:33:00 John Connelly
         Re:Re:Idiots07/01/12 23:47:00 Matthew Barnard
         Idiot07/01/12 23:55:00 Matthew Barnard
            Re:Idiot08/01/12 00:13:00 Richard Jennings
   Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick08/01/12 01:43:00 Maureen Barrymore
      Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick08/01/12 12:53:00 Paul Green
   CCTV Monitoring of Moving Traffic Offences08/01/12 14:36:00 Tim Henderson
      Cycling death trap today on CHR08/01/12 14:41:00 Lynn Whitley
         Re:Cycling death trap today on CHR08/01/12 15:02:00 Paul Green
      Re:CCTV Monitoring of Moving Traffic Offences08/01/12 15:19:00 Michael Brown
         Re:Re:CCTV Monitoring of Moving Traffic Offences08/01/12 15:33:00 Michael Brown
      Re:CCTV Monitoring of Moving Traffic Offences08/01/12 17:07:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:CCTV Monitoring of Moving Traffic Offences08/01/12 17:48:00 Ceref Devin
            Re:Re:Re:CCTV Monitoring of Moving Traffic Offences08/01/12 18:20:00 Michael Brown
               Re:Re:Re:Re:CCTV Monitoring of Moving Traffic Offences08/01/12 18:24:00 Michael Brown
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CCTV Monitoring of Moving Traffic Offences08/01/12 18:43:00 C Wynne
                     Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick08/01/12 19:03:00 Richard Jennings
                        Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick08/01/12 22:04:00 C Wynne
                           Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick08/01/12 22:22:00 Susan Kelly
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick08/01/12 22:28:00 Guy Lambert
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions Chiswick09/01/12 00:28:00 Raymond Elias
                                    Sunday and this morning09/01/12 09:52:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Re:Sunday and this morning09/01/12 12:20:00 Neil Muller
                                       Re:Sunday and this morning09/01/12 12:44:00 Paul Green
                                          Reply from Hounslow Council this morning 09/01/12 12:49:00 Raymond Elias
                                             Question for Richard and Chris CCF if he's able to reply09/01/12 12:55:00 Andrew Jones
                                                Re:Question for Richard and Chris CCF if he's able to reply09/01/12 12:58:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                                                   Re:Re:Question for Richard and Chris CCF if he's able to reply09/01/12 13:11:00 Andrew Jones
                                             Re:Reply from Hounslow Council this morning 09/01/12 13:00:00 Colin Jordan
                                                Re:Re:Reply from Hounslow Council this morning 09/01/12 13:08:00 Paul Green
                                                   All about the money09/01/12 14:00:00 James Mcconnell
                                                      Re:All about the money09/01/12 14:11:00 Maureen Barrymore
                                                         The temporary charges will probably become permanent09/01/12 17:35:00 David Giles
                                                            Re:The temporary charges will probably become permanent09/01/12 19:21:00 Richard Jennings
                                                               Sunday parking will remain free09/01/12 20:18:00 David Giles
                                                               Re:Re:The temporary charges will probably become permanent09/01/12 20:51:00 Michael Brown
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Reply from Hounslow Council this morning 09/01/12 17:43:00 Raymond Elias
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply from Hounslow Council this morning 09/01/12 17:51:00 Raymond Elias
                                                         London united buses meeting 22 June 2011 Chiswick police station 09/01/12 18:11:00 Raymond Elias
                                             Re:Reply from Hounslow Council this morning 13/01/12 16:51:00 Ian Anniss
   Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick13/01/12 08:03:00 James Mcconnell
      Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick13/01/12 08:30:00 C Wynne
         Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick13/01/12 08:48:00 Paul Green
            Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick13/01/12 14:20:00 Elizabeth Ross
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick13/01/12 14:42:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick13/01/12 14:46:00 Michael Brown
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick15/01/12 13:42:00 Simon Tranter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick15/01/12 15:45:00 Michael Brown
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick15/01/12 16:01:00 Maggie Dodge
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick15/01/12 16:22:00 James Mcconnell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick15/01/12 17:29:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick15/01/12 18:32:00 James Mcconnell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick10/03/12 11:26:00 John Utting
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick15/01/12 19:25:00 Andrew Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick15/01/12 19:30:00 Michael Brown
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick16/01/12 08:27:00 Maggie Dodge
                                 Re:Sunday Parking Restrictions28/01/12 12:32:00 Ian Wylie
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick28/02/12 19:37:00 Mona Sonpar
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick28/02/12 22:21:00 Richard Jennings
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick29/02/12 23:56:00 Jane Mccabe
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick01/03/12 08:20:00 Maggie Dodge
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick01/03/12 13:45:00 Mona Sonpar
                                                Natural Justice?01/03/12 18:42:00 Paul Pryce
                                                   Re:Natural Justice?01/03/12 21:55:00 Maggie Dodge
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick02/03/12 01:01:00 Richard Jennings
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick02/03/12 08:40:00 Maggie Dodge
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick11/03/12 16:32:00 Caroline Carrington
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick11/03/12 14:49:00 Jane Mccabe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Temporary Bus Lane & Parking Restrictions Chiswick09/06/12 18:37:00 Elizabeth Jane Daley

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