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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick
Posted by: Tom Pike
Date/Time: 03/02/08 12:49:00

Richard,

The latest contours for 2006 are available on the DfT site. The shapes look very similar but the areas have dropped by 7% from 2002 mainly because Concorde was no longer with us. I quite agree 2006 would be a better baseline (2005 would be even a little quieter), but I wouldn’t exaggerate the advantage in holding future noise to 2006 rather than 2002 values.

At 2200 m the third runway is long enough for A320’s and A321’s that can’t take off in 2000 m. That’s why it was lengthened.

Despite what the consultation document states, I will never get on a 767, 777 or A330 taking off from the third runway – I’d likely end up on the M25 as all these planes need more than 2200 m to take off!

It’s possible that the heaviest aircraft, including 747’s, could land on the third runway in an emergency, but the modelling in the consultation assumed these planes would use the existing runways even if ending up at the new terminal (see the figure on p 26 of the Runway 3 Study).

Given that over two thirds of the expected traffic in 2020 will be in the quietest planes below 220 seats, I’d be very surprised if we see many planes with a QC noise rating above 0.25 landing on the third runway. The noise estimates of the new flightpath over the High Road being 4 dB quieter than the existing flightpath over Grove Park are consistent and credible.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
3rd runway noise in Chiswick01/02/08 18:48:00 Jeff Gear
   Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick01/02/08 18:59:00 Jim Lawes
      Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick01/02/08 19:52:00 Paul Morris
         Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 09:16:00 Tim Henderson
   Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick01/02/08 21:17:00 Jonathan Bingham
      Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick01/02/08 23:22:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 13:39:00 Lou Valdini
   Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 02:50:00 Richard Jennings
   Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 09:25:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 11:36:00 Jeff Gear
         Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 11:45:00 Russell Peirs
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 11:56:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 12:03:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 12:48:00 Paul Morris
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 15:16:00 Tom Pike
         Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick04/02/08 18:48:00 Jonathan Bingham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 13:08:00 Jeff Gear
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 13:24:00 Jane Davison
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 14:48:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 15:28:00 Jeff Gear
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 16:27:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 18:10:00 Jeff Gear
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 18:44:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 20:05:00 Jeff Gear
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 20:42:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick07/02/08 12:51:00 Jeff Gear
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick07/02/08 19:23:00 Tim Henderson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick07/02/08 21:43:00 Richard Jennings
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick07/02/08 22:16:00 Tim Henderson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick08/02/08 08:06:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick08/02/08 17:40:00 Jeff Gear
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick08/02/08 19:53:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick09/02/08 00:47:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick09/02/08 12:28:00 Jeff Gear
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick09/02/08 17:20:00 Tim Henderson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick09/02/08 17:46:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick09/02/08 17:41:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick10/02/08 13:06:00 Jeff Gear
      Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 15:50:00 Jeff Gear
         Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 16:16:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 17:34:00 Jane Davison
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 19:09:00 Tim Henderson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 19:37:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 20:07:00 Tim Henderson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 12:45:00 Tom Pike
         Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 18:34:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 20:30:00 Paul Morris
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 21:07:00 Jo Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 12:46:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 22:13:00 Jeff Gear
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 12:47:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick02/02/08 22:25:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 12:49:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 16:18:00 Richard Jennings
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 18:36:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 18:51:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 21:56:00 Richard Jennings
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 23:41:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 12:50:00 Paul Morris
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 13:36:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 14:39:00 Tim Henderson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick03/02/08 18:59:00 Tom Pike
   Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 05:15:00 David Lindsay
      Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 19:13:00 Paul Morris
         Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick05/02/08 22:03:00 Jane Davison
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick06/02/08 12:13:00 Russell Peirs
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick06/02/08 12:14:00 Russell Peirs
            Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick06/02/08 13:26:00 Jonathan Bingham
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick07/02/08 21:50:00 David Giles
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick07/02/08 21:52:00 Paul Morris
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:3rd runway noise in Chiswick07/02/08 22:45:00 Richard Jennings

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