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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact!
Posted by: Kathleen Healy
Date/Time: 06/05/26 11:06:00

There isn't a problem with some people being very wealthy. It becomes a problem when wealth and power concentrates to the  extent that it creates great inequalities of wealth and power. Eventually it harms economic growth, particularly in an economy that relies on consumption. Rising poverty and a sense that the tax system is unfair leads to social tensions.

This discussion prompted me to re read some of Capital, Thomas Pickety's 2013 book. It's interesting, the process he wrote about has accelerated and is more clearly evident. We have an elite who now own a bigger share of wealth than in 2013, a larger and increasingly poorer group at the bottom, 50% of people hold just 5% of the countries wealth, and a middle that feels over taxed and dissatisfied. Graduates are very heavily taxed. They pay an additional 9% tax on earnings over 28k. Under the latest plan, graduates will pay it back for up to 30 years. Many will be pay it for the whole term. Interest is added and compounds from the day the first loan is drawn.

There is an older cohort, many of whom currently don't feel the squeeze felt by younger people. They vote and they support the status quo.

What will happen over time though? as natural processes create an older generation with little wealth, or a middle aged generation who realise they will have little wealth to sustain them in old age. It's an interesting question because it is the educated middle that are the drivers of change, not the poorest.

The shift away from post war wealth sharing has been cross party. I read an article once in praise of Tony Blair. It said his task was to broaden and deepen Margaret Thatcher's reforms and he did. Well done they said. It's true, he introduced student loans, kept the ban on Councils building housing. It wasn't lifted till 2018, after years of governments watching a housing crisis unfold. When you see where Blair is now, it's clear that his concern was never ordinary working folk.

If you look at who funds the various parties, you can see that they are all answerable to the same lobby. Starmer's leadership bid was funded by wealthy individuals. He refused to say who his backers where until after he was elected.

Liz Truss is opening an exclusive, invitation only, club in Mayfair. Joining fee half a million. A club for the pro growth, global elite. Odd, history shows that policies that distribute wealth create the greatest economic growth. See the the massive reduction of the post war debt under redistributive policies. I can't imagine that's what they have in mind though, maybe they mean pro growth of their own private wealth.

We live, as they say, in interesting times.


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Lawless London25/04/26 22:27:00 Emma Elizabeth
   Re:Lawless London25/04/26 23:16:00 Andrew Jones
   Re:Lawless London26/04/26 06:56:00 Nicholas Beard
      Re:Re:Lawless London26/04/26 15:08:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:Lawless London28/04/26 10:07:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London - there's always been lawlessness!29/04/26 15:54:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Lawless London30/04/26 10:47:00 Janice Evans
      Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 10:49:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 10:52:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:00:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:00:00 Keith Iddon
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:23:00 Janice Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:45:00 Jayne Thorburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 16:02:00 Vanessa Smith
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 19:33:00 Keith Iddon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:46:00 Keith Iddon
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 13:35:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 13:39:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 15:55:00 James Roy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 16:41:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 16:43:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 18:03:00 Philippa Bond
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 18:27:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 18:57:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                          Re:Lawless London30/04/26 21:38:00 Philippa Bond
                                             Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 23:03:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 23:23:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London01/05/26 08:05:00 Philippa Bond
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London01/05/26 09:04:00 Steve Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London01/05/26 11:43:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London01/05/26 19:30:00 Philippa Bond
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 08:07:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 11:28:00 Janice Evans
   Re:Lawless London02/05/26 08:15:00 Nicholas Beard
      Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 08:40:00 Janice Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 11:00:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 11:22:00 Janice Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 11:31:00 Janice Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 13:16:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 14:49:00 Robert Fish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 20:27:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 22:47:00 Jayne Thorburn
   Re:Lawless London03/05/26 06:17:00 Nicholas Beard
      Re:Re:Lawless London03/05/26 13:23:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Lawless London03/05/26 15:40:00 Juliet Hogg
      Re:Re:Lawless London03/05/26 13:32:00 Kathleen Healy
         Re:  The State Pension makes up the largest part of the Welfare Bill03/05/26 19:14:00 Philippa Bond
   Re: Osborne's Austerity Increased the Debt - 03/05/26 19:23:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re: Osborne's Austerity Increased the Debt - 03/05/26 21:35:00 Robert Fish
         Re:Fish flakes03/05/26 22:36:00 Davy Jones
            Re:Re:Fish flakes03/05/26 22:45:00 Steve Taylor
               Anti-welfare propaganda 04/05/26 00:58:00 Peter Evans
                  Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 08:22:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 10:27:00 Kathleen Healy
                        Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 10:49:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 11:15:00 Kathleen Healy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 11:46:00 Janice Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 11:51:00 Janice Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 14:00:00 Kathleen Healy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 15:16:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 15:49:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 19:08:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 20:40:00 Janice Evans
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 09:48:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 10:18:00 Janice Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 10:55:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 12:24:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 12:38:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 12:50:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                     Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 14:39:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                        Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 16:00:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:09:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 14:53:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 15:09:00 Janice Evans
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:43:00 Christopher Shea
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 14:49:00 Janice Evans
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 16:36:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 16:54:00 Janice Evans
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:12:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:12:00 Janice Evans
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:16:00 Janice Evans
                                                                              Re:  People who just want to get richer threaten an exodus05/05/26 17:23:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                 Re:Re:  People who just want to get richer threaten an exodus06/05/26 10:38:00 Janice Evans
                                                            Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 14:33:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                               Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 16:14:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                  Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 18:11:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 22:21:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                               Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:11:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                  Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:19:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 19:56:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 22:30:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 22:30:00 Janice Evans
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 08:36:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 09:16:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 09:34:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 11:05:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 11:06:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                    Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 16:39:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                       Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 19:00:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 07/05/26 16:08:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 07/05/26 19:43:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 07/05/26 20:44:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 07/05/26 22:58:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 00:40:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 09:16:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                            Re:They couldn't be any worse....could they ? 08/05/26 10:56:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 17:03:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 17:30:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 10:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 13:39:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 10:23:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 11:02:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 11:22:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 11:49:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 12:26:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 12:51:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 13:49:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 14:40:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 15:33:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 16:12:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 17:13:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 23:22:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 10/05/26 11:56:00 Kathleen Healy

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