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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact!
Posted by: Kathleen Healy
Date/Time: 05/05/26 19:56:00

Wealth can be income or assets. Assets generate income. Wealth accumulates. In Thomas Pickety's book Capital in the 21st century, he analysed economic data to show how when the rate of return on capital exceeds economic growth, wealth concentrates and creates social instability, as economic activity slumps. He showed this happened through history, the post war period being an exception.

The wealthiest don't have jobs in the way that people whose income is derived solely from working do, they own assets. The people at the top of the asset pile, mostly inherited their wealth.

We are currently in an unusual phase where more than half the worlds top wealth owners created it themselves, mostly the tech billionaires. That will be a one generation only thing. Once they pass it on, it will become part of the great pile of inherited wealth. And it will be vast, predictions are that we will have the first trillionaires in the next few years. Elon Musk tipped as the likely first.

The wealthiest are able to employ tax avoidance, non dom status, etc. and to take out of the tax pot. SIPPS where you can put 60k each year into your pension pot and, not only pay no tax on it, but get a top of 7,200 from government. Or environmental land management subsidies for large land owners.

Prior to the French revolution, the country slipped into an ongoing depression, poverty and hunger, everyone getting poorer and poorer. The causes were the cost of fighting the war in America, bad harvests and an aristocracy that spent lavishly and wouldn't pay tax itself.

Initially Marie Antoinette and Austria were scapegoated. She was spending all the money and she was Austrian, the enemy. All kinds of stories were circulated about her; Madame Deficit, foreign beast, treacherous, immoral, licentious.

The middle class petitioned about their grievances. They were paying too much tax and the aristocrats were not paying their share and spending lavishly. They demanded that the aristocrats pay more taxes and tried to abolish exemptions that enables the aristocrats to avoid paying tax.

Their grievances were ignored and attempts to bring about change, failed. The rest as they say is history.



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Lawless London25/04/26 22:27:00 Emma Elizabeth
   Re:Lawless London25/04/26 23:16:00 Andrew Jones
   Re:Lawless London26/04/26 06:56:00 Nicholas Beard
      Re:Re:Lawless London26/04/26 15:08:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:Lawless London28/04/26 10:07:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London - there's always been lawlessness!29/04/26 15:54:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Lawless London30/04/26 10:47:00 Janice Evans
      Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 10:49:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 10:52:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:00:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:00:00 Keith Iddon
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:23:00 Janice Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:45:00 Jayne Thorburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 16:02:00 Vanessa Smith
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 19:33:00 Keith Iddon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 11:46:00 Keith Iddon
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 13:35:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 13:39:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 15:55:00 James Roy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 16:41:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 16:43:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 18:03:00 Philippa Bond
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 18:27:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 18:57:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                          Re:Lawless London30/04/26 21:38:00 Philippa Bond
                                             Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 23:03:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                Re:Re:Re:Lawless London30/04/26 23:23:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London01/05/26 08:05:00 Philippa Bond
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London01/05/26 09:04:00 Steve Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London01/05/26 11:43:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London01/05/26 19:30:00 Philippa Bond
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 08:07:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 11:28:00 Janice Evans
   Re:Lawless London02/05/26 08:15:00 Nicholas Beard
      Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 08:40:00 Janice Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 11:00:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 11:22:00 Janice Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 11:31:00 Janice Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 13:16:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 14:49:00 Robert Fish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 20:27:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lawless London02/05/26 22:47:00 Jayne Thorburn
   Re:Lawless London03/05/26 06:17:00 Nicholas Beard
      Re:Re:Lawless London03/05/26 13:23:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Lawless London03/05/26 15:40:00 Juliet Hogg
      Re:Re:Lawless London03/05/26 13:32:00 Kathleen Healy
         Re:  The State Pension makes up the largest part of the Welfare Bill03/05/26 19:14:00 Philippa Bond
   Re: Osborne's Austerity Increased the Debt - 03/05/26 19:23:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re: Osborne's Austerity Increased the Debt - 03/05/26 21:35:00 Robert Fish
         Re:Fish flakes03/05/26 22:36:00 Davy Jones
            Re:Re:Fish flakes03/05/26 22:45:00 Steve Taylor
               Anti-welfare propaganda 04/05/26 00:58:00 Peter Evans
                  Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 08:22:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 10:27:00 Kathleen Healy
                        Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 10:49:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 11:15:00 Kathleen Healy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 11:46:00 Janice Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 11:51:00 Janice Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 14:00:00 Kathleen Healy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 15:16:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 15:49:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 19:08:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 04/05/26 20:40:00 Janice Evans
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 09:48:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 10:18:00 Janice Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 10:55:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 12:24:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 12:38:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 12:50:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                     Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 14:39:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                        Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 16:00:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:09:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 14:53:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 15:09:00 Janice Evans
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:43:00 Christopher Shea
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 14:49:00 Janice Evans
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 16:36:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 16:54:00 Janice Evans
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:12:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:12:00 Janice Evans
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:16:00 Janice Evans
                                                                              Re:  People who just want to get richer threaten an exodus05/05/26 17:23:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                 Re:Re:  People who just want to get richer threaten an exodus06/05/26 10:38:00 Janice Evans
                                                            Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 14:33:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                               Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 16:14:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                  Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 18:11:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 22:21:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                               Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:11:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                  Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 17:19:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 19:56:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 22:30:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 05/05/26 22:30:00 Janice Evans
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 08:36:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 09:16:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 09:34:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 11:05:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 11:06:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                    Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 16:39:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                       Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 06/05/26 19:00:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 07/05/26 16:08:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 07/05/26 19:43:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 07/05/26 20:44:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 07/05/26 22:58:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 00:40:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 09:16:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                            Re:They couldn't be any worse....could they ? 08/05/26 10:56:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 17:03:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 17:30:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 10:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 08/05/26 13:39:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 10:23:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 11:02:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 11:22:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 11:49:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 12:26:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 12:51:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 13:49:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 14:40:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 15:33:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 16:12:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 17:13:00 Kathleen Healy
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 09/05/26 23:22:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Not propaganda - just fact! 10/05/26 11:56:00 Kathleen Healy

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