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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road
Posted by: Michael Robinson
Date/Time: 01/06/20 12:53:00

Francis, as always, it isn't difficult to refute your points.

"Also want is the source of your claim that retailers increased their revenue?"

The Abundance London newsletter - they organised the street closure and polled the businesses before and after.

"The prospect for achieving overall footfall in Chiswick's commercial area by exclusively encouraging shoppers who walk or cycle is dim. "

Why? We are barely scraping the surface of the potential to increase the numbers, certainly by cycling anyway.  There are large residential developments with construction well advanced by the new Brentford stadium and others being discussed in the area.   They aren't going to be driving to Chiswick as they are outside the ULEZ so may be charged and there are very few parking spaces anyway.  Its a long walk but a short cycle to the main shopping areas in CHR.

"but ultimately the numbers that will come by foot or bike overall is fixed"

That makes no sense whatsoever.  Firstly, there will be new residential developments in the area right by the route of C9.  Secondly, there hasn't actually been any meaningful improvement of cycling infrastructure in the area and you are already proclaiming the numbers are fixed.

"Any significant change in trade overall has to come from those from outside the area most of whom would arrive by car."

Given the entire car park outside the George IV only generates at most about 60 people per hour, how much car parking would be required to produce "a significant change" of at least hundreds or thousands of people per hour.  As an American might say "you do the math".

Unless you are going to be magicking lots of car parking spaces from somewhere or proposing tarmacing over Turnham Green, then there ain't going to be more car parking in Chiswick. It is the car parking that isn't going to grow, not people walking and cycling.

"Would you be able to accept that the people who will understand best how this change is affecting business on Turnham Green Terrace are people running businesses on Turnham Green Terrace "

Well you would hope so.  However when a survey was done of people shopping on CHR, the figure was 8% arrived by car.  Businesses polled thought it was 20%.  Indeed for others similar polls in London, businesses consistently overestimated the proportion of their customers arriving by car.  This looks like they are guessing rather than actually asking their customers.

"you have never changed your mind on any subject in the history of this forum"

I'm am very happy to change my mind if the facts change (to misquote JM Keynes).  You haven't produced any factual information.


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Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road30/05/20 19:24:00 Justin Stephenson
   Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road30/05/20 20:37:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road30/05/20 21:02:00 Dan Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road30/05/20 21:14:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road30/05/20 21:51:00 Felicity Caborn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road30/05/20 22:50:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 07:26:00 Anita Blake
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 07:46:00 Paul Campbell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 08:02:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road30/05/20 21:51:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road30/05/20 21:54:00 Ruth Mayorcas
      Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road30/05/20 23:08:00 Janice Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 07:42:00 Micki Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 08:09:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 08:05:00 Anita Blake
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            Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 10:28:00 David Lesniak
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 11:25:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 13:59:00 David Lesniak
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 18:06:00 Francis Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 21:31:00 Tony Smart
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 21:59:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 07:18:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 07:41:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 11:09:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 12:53:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 07:21:00 David Lesniak
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 18:11:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 12:09:00 Al Webber
   Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 10:02:00 Caroline Benn
      Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 10:57:00 Dean Isaac
         Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 11:18:00 Jan Porter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 11:32:00 Stuart Kerr
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 14:26:00 Peter Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 18:06:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 18:15:00 Claire Moran
   Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 18:19:00 Penny Ledbury
      Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 18:39:00 Adrian Irving
         Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 18:45:00 Carl Wynne
         Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 18:52:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 19:08:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 19:51:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 19:59:00 Peter Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 20:26:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 20:28:00 Mike Firth
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 20:36:00 Jeffrey Cope
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 01:34:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 21:36:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 23:13:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 01:51:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 23:11:00 James Bloom
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road31/05/20 23:24:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 07:33:00 Dan Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 08:32:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 09:33:00 Dan Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 09:53:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 10:41:00 Adrian Irving
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 11:23:00 David Lesniak
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 11:11:00 Ken Munn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 12:43:00 Dan Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Traffic restrictions for Turnham Green Terr & Devonshire Road01/06/20 13:51:00 Paul Campbell

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