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Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 21/01/26 09:00:00

  Michael has a bit of a tell. When he dangles some statistics which he claims supports his argument and refuses to quote the data in detail, it is always worth taking a closer look.

 

What you will learn that only one cyclist has been seriously hurt on Hammersmith Bridge by a motor vehicle so far this century.

 

Firstly, apologies for dragging up the past to anyone who was connected to anyone killed or badly hurt in any of the incidents referred to below. It wasn’t me who initially misrepresented these tragedies thus making clarification imperative.

 

The data on collisions ‘in the vicinity’ of Hammersmith Bridge is helpfully compiled by CycleStreets.net which aims to provide safe routes for people on bikes.

 

The data they use is the same STATS19 data referred to earlier by Michael. Map co-ordinates are provided so you can pin point where collisions occurred.

 

This shows two fatal collisions involving in the area over the last three decades. One in 2011 and one in 2022. Neither of these was actually on the bridge.  The 2011 death was on Queen Caroline Street and the 2022 was at the junction with Riverview Gardens and Castelnau.

 

As for collisions involving cyclists there have been ten in which serious injury resulted in the period covered by the data which appears to go back to 1999. Interestingly, the occurrence of serious injury seems to have risen since the bridge was closed with four of these collisions having taken place after 2019. That is what you would expect as there are clearly many more cyclists in the area than there used to be.

 

Of the six serious injuries that occurred prior to closure only one actually took place on the bridge.

 

The important point to take from this is that the evidence is that crossing Hammersmith Bridge is no more dangerous when it is open to traffic than when it isn’t. Hopefully this will encourage people who have switched to bikes to stick with that mode of transport when the bridge reopens and ignore cycling campaigners who seem determine to stress how riding a bike could lead to your death or serious injury and will exaggerate and distort to make a point.

 

If you are interested to investigate further the link to the underlying data is here.



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FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 08:27:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 10:42:00 Paul James
      Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 10:47:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 11:09:00 Paul Scullion
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 11:53:00 Francis Rowe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 12:15:00 Paul James
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 12:41:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 13:37:00 Paul James
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 16:48:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 16:55:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 17:00:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 17:18:00 Julian Pavey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 20:46:00 Philippa Bond
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 21:02:00 Julian Pavey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 10:07:00 Paul James
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 18:08:00 Simon Hayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 18:51:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 20:44:00 Julian Pavey
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 21:43:00 Philippa Bond
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 21:58:00 Adrian Irving
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 22:06:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 06:47:00 Adrian Irving
                                                Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 07:08:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 08:43:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 09:28:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 12:44:00 David Lesniak
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 13:45:00 Paul James
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 09:50:00 Paul James
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 10:17:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 10:50:00 Paul James
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:35:00 Paul James
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 14:42:00 Mark Evans
               The bridge should be easily mended12/02/26 10:38:00 Davey Harris
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:19:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:26:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:28:00 Paul James
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:39:00 Steve Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:42:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 12:50:00 Adrian Irving
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 13:19:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 14:19:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 19:15:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 07:57:00 Mark Frost
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 08:40:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:03:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:44:00 Paul James
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:45:00 Paul James
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:59:00 Philippa Bond
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:24:00 Francis Rowe
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:31:00 Paul James
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:48:00 Paul James
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:56:00 Simon Hayes
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 11:48:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 12:12:00 Neil Roberts
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 14:50:00 Francis Rowe
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 14:54:00 Paul James
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 17:30:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 12:16:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 12:31:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 15:37:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 08:42:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:34:00 Paul James
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:42:00 Paul James
                                                         Reply19/01/26 09:46:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:41:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:48:00 Paul James
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 16:52:00 Steve Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge20/01/26 09:28:00 Francis Rowe
                                                               Reply20/01/26 09:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                  Re:Reply20/01/26 12:44:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                     Re:Re:Reply20/01/26 13:01:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Reply20/01/26 17:28:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                     Re:Re:Reply20/01/26 18:57:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                        Re: Task Force needs to do its job20/01/26 21:47:00 Davy Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 08:05:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                           Reply21/01/26 09:00:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                              Re:Reply21/01/26 09:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Reply22/01/26 11:35:00 Tom Pike
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 09:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 10:33:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 11:47:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 10:38:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 12:19:00 Paul James
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 12:53:00 Mark Frost
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 13:49:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 08:12:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                             Reply22/01/26 09:09:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                                Reply22/01/26 11:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                             Reply22/01/26 09:09:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 16:59:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 17:03:00 Mark Frost
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 16:56:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 19:37:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 01:01:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 07:18:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 07:42:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 10:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 10:36:00 Andrew Jones
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.23/01/26 10:46:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.23/01/26 10:49:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.23/01/26 13:20:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!09/02/26 18:02:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!09/02/26 20:34:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!09/02/26 21:15:00 Janice Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!10/02/26 10:16:00 David Lesniak
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!10/02/26 11:11:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!10/02/26 15:16:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!11/02/26 08:47:00 Mark Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!11/02/26 09:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!11/02/26 16:18:00 Francis Rowe
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.10/02/26 11:21:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge10/02/26 11:27:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge17/02/26 15:57:00 Adrian Irving
         Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge17/02/26 16:53:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 08:44:00 Mark Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 09:36:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 09:52:00 Mark Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 20:19:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge20/02/26 15:28:00 Lucy Chambers
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge - positive news 28/02/26 16:45:00 Steve Taylor
                           Reply03/03/26 15:14:00 Andrew OSullivan

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