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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 19/01/26 08:42:00

Michael, while 'the fast and the furious' as you call them are only a sub-set of cyclists, they are perhaps the most important one because they offer the greatest chance of modal shift.

There seems to have been a significant switch to cycle commuting in the Barnes community as a result of the closure of the bridge to buses and cars. The impression I get (which I'll admit is based on a small number of conversations) is that the people who have started, would probably not go back to driving or public transport when the bridge reopens. These cyclists as well as the legions of delivery riders seem to be neutral or positive about sharing the bridge with traffic.

You are quite right that there are many clever routes on the north side of the bridge that can allow you to cycle for most of your journey in roads with limited traffic. But for a large number of destinations it is impossible to totally avoid busy roads and junctions and crossing the bridge along a straight line of traffic would be one of the least challenging parts of many daily journeys.

I am also not going to quibble with your point that segregated cycle lanes can encourage many people to use a bike who might otherwise have done so. How much of the growth of use of the number of people riding along CHR is down to this as opposed to the explosion of bike deliveries and e-bike hire as well as people forced off buses by their increasingly slow pace is something we can only guess at but there will also be 'fast and furious' cyclists who have abandoned using the High Road because their progress was significantly faster before the changes.

You are right that my research on collisions on Hammersmith Bridge was not robust. I couldn't recall any ever having taken place (and as an occasional user of this route I would have been mindful of this) and I Googled and asked ChatGPT for any further information and it couldn't find any. If there have been cases of cyclist injuries on Hammersmith Bridge prior to its closure please do share. However, don't, as you often do when you claim to have data or evidence, give a vague reference and tell me to go and find it for myself. When you do this, I don't think I'm alone in concluding the purported evidence doesn't actually exist or doesn't support your point on closer inspection.


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FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 08:27:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 10:42:00 Paul James
      Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 10:47:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 11:09:00 Paul Scullion
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 11:53:00 Francis Rowe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 12:15:00 Paul James
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 12:41:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 13:37:00 Paul James
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 16:48:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 16:55:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 17:00:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 17:18:00 Julian Pavey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 20:46:00 Philippa Bond
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 21:02:00 Julian Pavey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 10:07:00 Paul James
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 18:08:00 Simon Hayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 18:51:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 20:44:00 Julian Pavey
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 21:43:00 Philippa Bond
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 21:58:00 Adrian Irving
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 22:06:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 06:47:00 Adrian Irving
                                                Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 07:08:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 08:43:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 09:28:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 12:44:00 David Lesniak
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 13:45:00 Paul James
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 09:50:00 Paul James
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 10:17:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 10:50:00 Paul James
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:35:00 Paul James
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 14:42:00 Mark Evans
               The bridge should be easily mended12/02/26 10:38:00 Davey Harris
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:19:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:26:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:28:00 Paul James
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:39:00 Steve Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:42:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 12:50:00 Adrian Irving
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 13:19:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 14:19:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 19:15:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 07:57:00 Mark Frost
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 08:40:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:03:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:44:00 Paul James
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:45:00 Paul James
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:59:00 Philippa Bond
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:24:00 Francis Rowe
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:31:00 Paul James
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:48:00 Paul James
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:56:00 Simon Hayes
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 11:48:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 12:12:00 Neil Roberts
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 14:50:00 Francis Rowe
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 14:54:00 Paul James
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 17:30:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 12:16:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 12:31:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 15:37:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 08:42:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:34:00 Paul James
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:42:00 Paul James
                                                         Reply19/01/26 09:46:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:41:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:48:00 Paul James
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 16:52:00 Steve Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge20/01/26 09:28:00 Francis Rowe
                                                               Reply20/01/26 09:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                  Re:Reply20/01/26 12:44:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                     Re:Re:Reply20/01/26 13:01:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Reply20/01/26 17:28:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                     Re:Re:Reply20/01/26 18:57:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                        Re: Task Force needs to do its job20/01/26 21:47:00 Davy Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 08:05:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                           Reply21/01/26 09:00:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                              Re:Reply21/01/26 09:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Reply22/01/26 11:35:00 Tom Pike
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 09:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 10:33:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 11:47:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 10:38:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 12:19:00 Paul James
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 12:53:00 Mark Frost
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 13:49:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 08:12:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                             Reply22/01/26 09:09:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                                Reply22/01/26 11:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                             Reply22/01/26 09:09:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 16:59:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 17:03:00 Mark Frost
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 16:56:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 19:37:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 01:01:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 07:18:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 07:42:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 10:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 10:36:00 Andrew Jones
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.23/01/26 10:46:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.23/01/26 10:49:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.23/01/26 13:20:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!09/02/26 18:02:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!09/02/26 20:34:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!09/02/26 21:15:00 Janice Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!10/02/26 10:16:00 David Lesniak
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!10/02/26 11:11:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!10/02/26 15:16:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!11/02/26 08:47:00 Mark Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!11/02/26 09:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!11/02/26 16:18:00 Francis Rowe
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.10/02/26 11:21:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge10/02/26 11:27:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge17/02/26 15:57:00 Adrian Irving
         Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge17/02/26 16:53:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 08:44:00 Mark Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 09:36:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 09:52:00 Mark Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 20:19:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge20/02/26 15:28:00 Lucy Chambers
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge - positive news 28/02/26 16:45:00 Steve Taylor
                           Reply03/03/26 15:14:00 Andrew OSullivan
                              Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 16:30:00 Adrian Irving
                                 Re:Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 16:58:00 Paul James
                                 Re:Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 17:44:00 Andrew Jones
                                    Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 17:58:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 18:38:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 10:09:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 10:55:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 13:21:00 Adrian Irving
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 13:58:00 Robert Fish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 15:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 13:41:00 David Lesniak
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 15:18:00 Adrian Irving
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 17:55:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 19:32:00 Janice Evans
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 21:21:00 Adrian Irving

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