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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 20/01/26 09:28:00

Paul, the vast majority of journeys of any distance in London cannot be made without sharing road space with motor vehicles and most people commuting over Hammersmith Bridge will face far more challenging locations on their trip. You’ll be aware that the vast majority of all collisions, including those involving cyclists, take place at junctions and that statistically cycling with traffic along a straight road (or over a straight bridge) is close to riskless. Michael hasn’t been able to back up his claims about collisions on the bridge so most of us will be concluding they never happened.

You are right that some people currently cycling over the bridge will choose to go back to the bus, their cars or Ubers when it reopens but I think you underestimate the culture change that has taken place in the Barnes area and many will stick with their bikes.

While crossing the reopened bridge may be statistically safe, it won’t feel safe for a less confident cyclist and, sadly the sight of small children on their bikes and trikes being shepherded across the bridge will end. I’m not disputing this is a cost of reopening but it is only involves wheeling a bike the short distance across the bridge to resume the ride on the Thames Path. The benefits of reopening including a restoration of public transport access to a significant population area and an end to the traffic blight in parts of Mortlake and Putney massively outweigh any downsides.

I’m sceptical of the short-term modal shift benefits that you refer to. Parents cycling with their children to school is fantastic to see but my observation is that most of these trips are an alternative to walking. Most people in Chiswick with primary school aged children live a short distance away. The benefit here is longer term – the creation of a more cycling orientated culture but it will take decades to see the full benefits of this – meanwhile we need to deal with this ‘too many cars’ issue you always refer to. The most effective and practical is more and faster buses and that includes those going over Hammersmith Bridge.

If you doubt that and believe that the majority of people who need to use Hammersmith Bridge or are impacted by its closure would like to see it remain shut, organise a rally in this cause. If you get more people at it than the one this weekend, I’d need a rethink.

Micheal, I’m delighted to see Paul Campbell is alive and well. Do thank him for sharing my work!


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FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 08:27:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 10:42:00 Paul James
      Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 10:47:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 11:09:00 Paul Scullion
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 11:53:00 Francis Rowe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 12:15:00 Paul James
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 12:41:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 13:37:00 Paul James
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 16:48:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 16:55:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 17:00:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 17:18:00 Julian Pavey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 20:46:00 Philippa Bond
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 21:02:00 Julian Pavey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 10:07:00 Paul James
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 18:08:00 Simon Hayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 18:51:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 20:44:00 Julian Pavey
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 21:43:00 Philippa Bond
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 21:58:00 Adrian Irving
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge13/01/26 22:06:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 06:47:00 Adrian Irving
                                                Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 07:08:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 08:43:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 09:28:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 12:44:00 David Lesniak
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge: built to carry horse drawn carriages14/01/26 13:45:00 Paul James
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 09:50:00 Paul James
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 10:17:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 10:50:00 Paul James
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:35:00 Paul James
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 14:42:00 Mark Evans
               The bridge should be easily mended12/02/26 10:38:00 Davey Harris
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:19:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:26:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:28:00 Paul James
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:39:00 Steve Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 11:42:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 12:50:00 Adrian Irving
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 13:19:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 14:19:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge14/01/26 19:15:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 07:57:00 Mark Frost
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 08:40:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:03:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:44:00 Paul James
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:45:00 Paul James
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 09:59:00 Philippa Bond
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:24:00 Francis Rowe
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:31:00 Paul James
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:48:00 Paul James
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 10:56:00 Simon Hayes
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 11:48:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 12:12:00 Neil Roberts
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 14:50:00 Francis Rowe
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 14:54:00 Paul James
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 17:30:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 12:16:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 12:31:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge15/01/26 15:37:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 08:42:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:34:00 Paul James
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:42:00 Paul James
                                                         Reply19/01/26 09:46:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:41:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 09:48:00 Paul James
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge19/01/26 16:52:00 Steve Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge20/01/26 09:28:00 Francis Rowe
                                                               Reply20/01/26 09:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                  Re:Reply20/01/26 12:44:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                     Re:Re:Reply20/01/26 13:01:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Reply20/01/26 17:28:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                     Re:Re:Reply20/01/26 18:57:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                        Re: Task Force needs to do its job20/01/26 21:47:00 Davy Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 08:05:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                           Reply21/01/26 09:00:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                              Re:Reply21/01/26 09:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Reply22/01/26 11:35:00 Tom Pike
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 09:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 10:33:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 11:47:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 10:38:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 12:19:00 Paul James
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 12:53:00 Mark Frost
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 13:49:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 08:12:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                             Reply22/01/26 09:09:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                                Reply22/01/26 11:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                             Reply22/01/26 09:09:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 16:59:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 17:03:00 Mark Frost
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 16:56:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/01/26 19:37:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 01:01:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 07:18:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 07:42:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 10:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/01/26 10:36:00 Andrew Jones
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.23/01/26 10:46:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.23/01/26 10:49:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.23/01/26 13:20:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!09/02/26 18:02:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!09/02/26 20:34:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!09/02/26 21:15:00 Janice Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!10/02/26 10:16:00 David Lesniak
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!10/02/26 11:11:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!10/02/26 15:16:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!11/02/26 08:47:00 Mark Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!11/02/26 09:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....Now Albert Bridge!11/02/26 16:18:00 Francis Rowe
         Re:Re:Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge ....it's a sad world.10/02/26 11:21:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:FYI. Hammersmith Bridge10/02/26 11:27:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge17/02/26 15:57:00 Adrian Irving
         Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge17/02/26 16:53:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 08:44:00 Mark Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 09:36:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 09:52:00 Mark Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge18/02/26 20:19:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge20/02/26 15:28:00 Lucy Chambers
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Hammersmith Bridge - positive news 28/02/26 16:45:00 Steve Taylor
                           Reply03/03/26 15:14:00 Andrew OSullivan
                              Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 16:30:00 Adrian Irving
                                 Re:Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 16:58:00 Paul James
                                 Re:Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 17:44:00 Andrew Jones
                                    Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 17:58:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you04/03/26 18:38:00 Simon Hayes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 10:09:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 10:55:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 13:21:00 Adrian Irving
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 13:58:00 Robert Fish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 15:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 13:41:00 David Lesniak
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 15:18:00 Adrian Irving
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 17:55:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 19:32:00 Janice Evans
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: This may surprise you05/03/26 21:21:00 Adrian Irving

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