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Topic: Re:Re:Re:How did we get into Europe ?(Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto)
Posted by: Sam Hearn Cllr
Date/Time: 11/03/08 11:55:00

I am in favour of a referendum - as I thought all three major political parties were at the last general election.

I see the need for a new constitution so that the affairs of the much enlarged Union can be managed more efficiently. That does not make me automatically in favour of the "treaty" that is on offer.

My hope was that during a referendum campaign the main arguments for and against would be rehearsed and I would be able to make an informed decision. Of course each side would present its case strongly and I would have to sift the wheat from the chaff.

The EU is not popular with many people. Most people believe that it is remote from them and that they can have little impact on its decision making processes - it is too large and the democratic deficit too great(i.e. there is a lack of control by elected reprsentatives).

Here, with the referendum was a golden opportunity for those who believe that the EU does, on balance, do a good job to state their case and explain what the benefits of a new constitution would be.    

Instead the decision will in practice be made by a ruling party that lacks all credibility with the electorate and would probably lose an election if it was called tomorrow.

I feel rather let down by the whole affair somewhat as I did when it became clear that there were no weapons of mass disruption in Iraq and that thousands of innocent lives were being lost in vain.

The politicians involved are clearly people that no one should ever put their trust in again.



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Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate06/03/08 00:04:00 David Giles
   Chiswick Councillors vote against the Tory manifesto and their democratic mandate06/03/08 06:47:00 Mark Evans
      Re:Chiswick Councillors vote against the Tory manifesto and their democratic mandate06/03/08 07:43:00 Colin Murphy
      Re:Chiswick Councillors vote against the Tory manifesto and their democratic mandate06/03/08 08:40:00 Paul Fisher
         Re:Re:Chiswick Councillors vote against the Tory manifesto and their democratic mandate06/03/08 09:04:00 Ben Willcocks
            Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Councillors vote against the Tory manifesto and their democratic mandate06/03/08 10:05:00 Malcolm Peltu
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Councillors vote against the Tory manifesto and their democratic mandate06/03/08 10:46:00 Simon Everton
   Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate06/03/08 10:16:00 Jonathan Bingham
      Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate06/03/08 10:31:00 Colin Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate06/03/08 10:54:00 David Giles
      Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate06/03/08 14:15:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate06/03/08 16:05:00 Peter John
         Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate10/03/08 19:31:00 David Giles
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate10/03/08 19:55:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate10/03/08 23:03:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate10/03/08 23:18:00 Will Watson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate10/03/08 23:49:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate10/03/08 23:49:00 Brian Coyle
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto and her Democratic Mandate11/03/08 00:06:00 Will Watson
                     Re:How did we get into Europe ?(Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto)11/03/08 10:01:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:How did we get into Europe ?(Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto)11/03/08 10:17:00 Jonathan Bingham
                        Re:Re:How did we get into Europe ?(Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto)11/03/08 10:21:00 Will Watson
                           Re:Re:Re:How did we get into Europe ?(Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto)11/03/08 11:55:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                           Re:Re:Re:How did we get into Europe ?(Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto)11/03/08 13:14:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:How did we get into Europe ?(Ann Keen Votes against Labour Party Manifesto)11/03/08 14:00:00 Martin Hime
                                 Re:Has the EU prevented war ?11/03/08 14:12:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?11/03/08 21:37:00 David Giles
                                       Re:Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?11/03/08 21:51:00 Will Watson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?11/03/08 22:32:00 Brian Coyle
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?11/03/08 23:01:00 Will Watson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?11/03/08 23:11:00 Martin Hime
                                             Re:'Corrupt unelected bureaucrats'11/03/08 23:41:00 Richard Greenhough
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?12/03/08 09:17:00 Peter John
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?11/03/08 23:10:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?12/03/08 08:56:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?12/03/08 09:49:00 Will Watson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Has the EU prevented war ?12/03/08 12:18:00 Richard Greenhough
   New European Directive12/03/08 00:12:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:New European Directive12/03/08 09:59:00 Colin Jordan
         Re:Re:New European Directive12/03/08 10:12:00 Jonathan Bingham
            Re:Re:Re:New European Directive12/03/08 10:15:00 Colin Jordan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:New European Directive12/03/08 12:04:00 Fraser Pearce
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New European Directive12/03/08 12:29:00 Martin Hime
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New European Directive12/03/08 17:14:00 David Fox
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New European Directive12/03/08 17:33:00 Will Watson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New European Directive12/03/08 18:40:00 Jeff Gear
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New European Directive12/03/08 18:49:00 Will Watson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New European Directive13/03/08 12:41:00 David Giles
                           Text of the Treaty of Lisbon12/03/08 18:41:00 David Giles
                              Re:Text of the Treaty of Lisbon12/03/08 22:02:00 Guy Lambert
                              Re:Text of the Treaty of Lisbon12/03/08 23:08:00 Brian Coyle
                                 Re:Re:Text of the Treaty of Lisbon12/03/08 23:38:00 Will Watson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Text of the Treaty of Lisbon13/03/08 12:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       For Guy: "This referendum debate..."13/03/08 20:07:00 Fraser Pearce
                                          For Guy: "It is perfectly obvious from the BBC link..."  13/03/08 20:09:00 Fraser Pearce
                                             For Guy: "...Moving forward our common European agenda..."13/03/08 20:10:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                For Guy: "...the Treaty also sets out a specific right and procedure for member states to leave"13/03/08 20:13:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                   For Guy: "...we did vote to go in..."13/03/08 20:17:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                      For Guy: "...a convincing majority..."13/03/08 20:18:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                         Re:For Guy: "...a convincing majority..."13/03/08 21:38:00 Guy Lambert
                                                            Re:Re:For Guy: "...a convincing majority..."14/03/08 08:05:00 Peter G Boardman
                                                               Re:Re:Re:For Guy: "...a convincing majority..."15/03/08 13:44:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:For Guy: "...a convincing majority..."14/03/08 19:01:00 David Giles
                                                               Re:Re:Re:For Guy: "...a convincing majority..."15/03/08 01:18:00 David Fox

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