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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?
Posted by: Tom Forde
Date/Time: 01/10/13 12:36:00

"If someone is addicted to heroin or other hard drug, they should have access to treatment through the NHS."

They do. Get your NHS methadone here:
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/drugs/Pages/Herointreatment.aspx

"In several places in the world initiatives have been launched to provide addicts with needles etc and the results have been wholly good."
Here is a needle exchange on the Golborne Road, Ladbroke Grove, a short hop from us here in W4:
http://www.blenheimcdp.org.uk/

"But then the idiotic war on drugs was launched and heroin addiction mushroomed, as did the gangs feeding the demand.  Just like prohibition in the US helped the growth of the Mafia... Once it became legal to sell alcohol again in 1933 organised crime [in the US] was greatly reduced."

Organised crime in the US was, is still is, partly fuelled by corruption involving law enforcement and government officials. Once serious efforts began in the late 80s/early 90s onwards at district attorney level to tackle organised crime in, say, New York for example, its influence has been reduced, though certainly not eradicated. 

Surely, the point missing from the pro-legislation arguments presented here is that most hard drug use is not by addicts - it is recreational; the estate agent snorting coke at the weekend, the teenager taking ecstasy at a house party. The actual number of addicts is very small. Most drug dealing is for recreational use.

By legalising most drugs as suggested at the start of this thread, surely we would just be encouraging even greater recreational use of hard drugs?

And if drugs are given out to addicts on the NHS, how do we define an addict and decide who gets them for free?

Surely, every heavy recreational user of drugs - and general drug-taking layabout/semi-criminal class person - would declare themselves an addict to obtain their usual stuff for free? 


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Time for a re-think on drugs law ?29/09/13 12:48:00 Andy Pease
   Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?29/09/13 13:00:00 Pete Mayes
      Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?29/09/13 14:17:00 Andy Pease
         Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?29/09/13 14:33:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?29/09/13 14:55:00 Guy Lambert
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?29/09/13 15:00:00 Tom Forde
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?29/09/13 15:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?29/09/13 16:05:00 bobby osborne
         Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?29/09/13 20:14:00 Colin Potter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 10:22:00 Alastair Banton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 11:16:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 11:27:00 Tom Forde
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 12:11:00 Vanessa Smith
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 12:13:00 Tom Forde
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 14:55:00 Pete Mayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 15:14:00 Tom Forde
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 17:39:00 Vanessa Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 17:41:00 Pete Mayes
   Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?30/09/13 18:02:00 Tom Forde
      Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 10:07:00 Alastair Banton
         Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 10:41:00 John Hickman
   Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 11:39:00 Alastair Banton
      Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 11:59:00 Will Watson
         Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 12:36:00 Tom Forde
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 13:27:00 Alastair Banton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 13:58:00 Tom Forde
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 14:48:00 Will Watson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 15:02:00 Tom Forde
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 15:21:00 Jonathan Bingham
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 15:31:00 Tom Forde
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 16:07:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 16:15:00 Tom Forde
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 16:17:00 Will Watson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 16:19:00 Will Watson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 16:21:00 Tom Forde
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 16:23:00 Tom Forde
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 16:30:00 Will Watson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?01/10/13 16:37:00 Tom Forde
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 09:32:00 Alastair Banton
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 10:36:00 Tom Forde
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 10:41:00 Andy Pease
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 10:51:00 Tom Forde
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 15:46:00 Andy Pease
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 11:05:00 John Hickman
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 11:15:00 Tom Forde
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 11:34:00 John Hickman
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 13:52:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 14:02:00 Tom Forde
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 15:44:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 15:53:00 Andy Pease
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 15:56:00 Tom Forde
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 16:50:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time for a re-think on drugs law ?02/10/13 17:10:00 Tom Forde
                                                                  Will's question (again)03/10/13 10:33:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                     Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:23:00 Tom Forde
                                                                        Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:38:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                     Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:31:00 Will Watson
                                                                        Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:37:00 Tom Forde
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:39:00 Will Watson
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:45:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:50:00 Tom Forde
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:55:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:58:00 Tom Forde
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 11:59:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:01:00 Tom Forde
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:05:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:16:00 Tom Forde
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:21:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:21:00 Tom Forde
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:23:00 Tom Forde
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:24:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:45:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:49:00 Tom Forde
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:51:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:54:00 Tom Forde
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 13:01:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:55:00 bobby osborne
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 12:59:00 Tom Forde
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 22:00:00 Colin Potter
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 22:20:00 Colin Potter
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)03/10/13 22:44:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)04/10/13 09:40:00 Joe Conneely
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will's question (again)04/10/13 10:10:00 Alastair Banton

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