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Topic: Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD
Posted by: Richard Bryson
Date/Time: 14/03/19 11:47:00

Dear Michael(London Cycling Campaign Co-ordinator, Hounslow)
To go through the various points you have raised. Firstly, I did use the pelican crossing and crossed the road part without difficulty.  Crossing the cycle track, even if the lights are on red for the cyclist, given the propensity of cyclist who go through red lights(and I did see a quite a few on that route last night), is a challenge whatever you say, and survival instinct tells you to wait until there are no cyclists coming. The problem with bikes is that you don’t hear them coming, and when they don’t have their lights on as well you don’t always see them. I had to walk along the cycle lane for a short distance as the pavement had been closed off. To say I should try it on the A4 is a rather bizarre comment to make and not relevant.
Regarding the speed, I did qualify my comments by indicating it was in the rush hour, and generally during that time cyclist do want to get from A to B as quickly as possible.  I can assure you that when I was there last night the speeds were in the region of 20mph.  However, even going on your ‘extensive measurements of speed using video analysis.’, if 66% ride slower than 15mph then it still means 34% are going faster than 15mph.  You also by implication say that 4% exceed 20mph.  Given the volume of cyclists along the embankment, that’s still in the region of 400 cyclists a day going faster than 20mph. Not an insignificant number.
I also am very glad that you raised technology, and I therefore assume you aware of the popular cycling app Strava, which collects data from cyclists that use it.  Michael you want facts.  The stretch from Temple to Westminster Bridge which is the part we are talking about the top speeds on the Strava app have shown an AVERAGE speed of 37mph.   Just taking the last two days, there were 1,174 Strava users on that stretch.  More than 50% of this number averaged speeds of 20mph or above.  To actually average a speed you have to do part of the stretch at a faster speed.  You don’t seem to believe anything I say so here is the Strava link.
https://www.strava.com/segments/807640
I’m not sure why you finish your post with strange comments like ‘car drivers in the 1.5 tonne lumps of metal’, my main concern is for pedestrians and public transport.  Both of which will be disproportionately affected by this cycle route.
Michael, I think you might benefit from going on an Anger Management Course as some of the comments you have made have been extremely aggressive and personal.
I’m very happy to go with you to the Embankment at sit and watch the bikes go by for half an hour, to prove my point.


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FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 07:48:00 Richard Bryson
   Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 08:00:00 Loraine Pemberton
   Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 08:54:00 Michael Robinson
      Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 09:22:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 09:35:00 Gordon McDonald
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 09:51:00 David Grantley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 09:57:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 11:35:00 Richard Bryson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 11:46:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 09:57:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 10:33:00 Charlotte Kasner
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 11:30:00 David Lesniak
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 11:39:00 Matthew Swain
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 12:26:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 13:59:00 David Lesniak
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 11:53:00 Richard Bryson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 14:47:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 13:47:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 11:27:00 David Lesniak
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 11:35:00 Matthew Swain
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 07:12:00 Andy Pease
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 13:44:00 Steve Taylor
      Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 12:23:00 Alex Shpinkov
   Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 11:45:00 Matthew Swain
      Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 11:47:00 Richard Bryson
         Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 12:05:00 Paul Campbell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 12:14:00 Edward Seaton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 07:29:00 David Lesniak
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 08:44:00 Loraine Pemberton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 12:53:00 Richard Bryson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 14:04:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 12:15:00 Paul Lund
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 15:07:00 James Mcconnell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 15:55:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 16:08:00 James Mcconnell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 16:24:00 Edward Seaton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 16:18:00 Paul Lund
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 16:42:00 James Mcconnell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 17:00:00 Edward Seaton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 17:05:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 22:47:00 Al Webber
         Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 12:18:00 Michael Robinson
   Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 12:37:00 Carl Wynne
      Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 12:42:00 Edward Seaton
         Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 20:26:00 Tony Smart
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 23:15:00 Julian Pavey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 23:28:00 Richard Bryson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD14/03/19 23:52:00 Julian Pavey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 01:11:00 Tony Smart
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 01:51:00 Chris Blackwell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 06:53:00 Richard Bryson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 07:56:00 Matthew Swain
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 08:06:00 Richard Bryson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 08:19:00 Matthew Swain
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 08:41:00 Richard Bryson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 10:06:00 James Mcconnell
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 14:04:00 Steve Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 10:06:00 Tony Smart
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 11:03:00 Richard Bryson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD18/03/19 12:15:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD18/03/19 13:31:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 11:12:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                          Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD15/03/19 14:10:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 07:21:00 David Lesniak
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 07:31:00 Loraine Pemberton
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 08:46:00 Richard Bryson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 08:59:00 Tony Smart
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 09:54:00 Richard Bryson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 11:03:00 Tony Smart
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 11:08:00 James Mcconnell
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 11:16:00 Tony Smart
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD16/03/19 11:38:00 James Mcconnell
                                                Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHR. Is Tony Smart a SPAMBOT ?16/03/19 12:35:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                   Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHR. Is Tony Smart a SPAMBOT ?16/03/19 22:10:00 Tony Smart
                                                      Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHR. Is Tony Smart a SPAMBOT ?17/03/19 10:15:00 James Mcconnell
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHR. Is Tony Smart a SPAMBOT ?17/03/19 10:30:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings16/03/19 11:45:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings16/03/19 12:24:00 Adrian Irving
                                                Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings16/03/19 21:44:00 Richard Bryson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings16/03/19 22:10:00 Tom Trower
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 07:16:00 David Lesniak
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 09:25:00 Matthew Swain
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 09:40:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 09:52:00 Matthew Swain
                                                                  Re: A Cyclists ran into me this morning and didn't stop !18/03/19 10:02:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                     Re:Re: A Cyclists ran into me this morning and didn't stop !18/03/19 11:11:00 Ken Munn
                                                                        Re:Re:Re: A Cyclists ran into me this morning and didn't stop !18/03/19 12:19:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                     Re:Re: A Cyclists ran into me this morning and didn't stop !18/03/19 14:36:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                        Re:Re:Re: A Cyclists ran into me this morning and didn't stop !18/03/19 14:57:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re: A Cyclists ran into me this morning and didn't stop !18/03/19 15:32:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: A Cyclists ran into me this morning and didn't stop !18/03/19 15:41:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 12:55:00 David Lesniak
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 13:16:00 Matthew Swain
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings19/03/19 07:20:00 David Lesniak
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 13:24:00 Ruth Mayorcas
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 13:42:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 13:49:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 17:26:00 Ruth Mayorcas
                                                                        Re: Reply to Ruth18/03/19 17:48:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                           Re:Re: Reply to Ruth. Oops !18/03/19 17:56:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                        Re: Reply to Ruth18/03/19 17:49:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 18:22:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 20:08:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 20:26:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 20:56:00 Julian Pavey
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 13:42:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings19/03/19 07:42:00 David Lesniak
                                                                     Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings19/03/19 10:27:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings20/03/19 09:03:00 Ruth Mayorcas
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings20/03/19 09:42:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings20/03/19 11:52:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings20/03/19 14:09:00 David Lesniak
                                                                        Ruth Mayorcas feedback - where'd it go?26/03/19 06:24:00 David Lesniak
                                                                           Re:Ruth Mayorcas feedback - where'd it go?26/03/19 07:22:00 Steve Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 13:17:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 07:30:00 Richard Bryson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. 2nd Consultation findings18/03/19 07:33:00 Richard Bryson
                                                         FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas20/03/19 11:48:00 Richard Bryson
                                                            Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas20/03/19 14:19:00 Ian Taplin
                                                               Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas20/03/19 15:04:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas20/03/19 17:43:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas21/03/19 10:50:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas21/03/19 13:43:00 David Lesniak
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas21/03/19 14:49:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas21/03/19 14:51:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas11/04/19 00:38:00 Richard Bryson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas11/04/19 07:45:00 Pip Walsh
                                                                                    Re: reply to Pip Walsh11/04/19 07:58:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                                       Re:Re: reply to Pip Walsh11/04/19 10:37:00 Richard Bryson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas11/04/19 13:45:00 David Lesniak
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas11/04/19 13:23:00 Claire Moran
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:FOLLY OF CS9 ON CHISWICK HIGH ROAD. Ruth Mayorcas11/04/19 13:38:00 Claire Moran

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