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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 02/06/13 06:23:00

The 140 wheelie bin stands about 1m tall, and has a 48cm X 56cm footprint. It weighs about 11kg. Buying in bulk, the standard cost of these looks like £45-£80 depending on quality, although the costs put forward by LBH indicate something more like £16 each, which seems very low.

They put forward two reasons for the trial, neither of which makes sense.

1. Black bags being ripped open by vermin. OK, I see the odd one torn open but is this really a major problem? Certainly nobody has measured it as the report contains no data. So this is just anecdote as far as I can see. Why does LBH seem to have such an aversion to real data when it comes to these decisions? I would like to know how many bags are ripped open by vermin at the moment. Does anyone know?

2. The physical limit of the bins means that people will be forced into recycling more. Really? 140 litres isn't enough? I don't believe this for a minute. I reckon these bins carry way more refuse than most people throw out currently, so it won't have any effect on recycling.

The report tells us that the scheme will be reviewed in 6 months time and there will then be a "review of its success". How can that happen? In order to review "success" one has to know the position today, i.e. what exactly is the problem, and the objective of the trial, i.e. what do we want the position to be? Then we have something to measure. I cannot see these data points anywhere in the report so once again we have nothing but anecdote and opinion, which means that someone can say it was a success and nobody can argue.

And my earlier point remains. If the reasons given for these wheelie bins (foxes and recycling) are not true, and I don't believe they are, then what is the real reason?


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They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way22/02/13 22:53:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
   Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way22/02/13 23:39:00 Richard Jennings
   Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way22/02/13 23:44:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way22/02/13 23:47:00 David Giles
         Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 00:18:00 Brian Coyle
         Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 00:23:00 Richard Jennings
      Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 09:56:00 David Giles
   Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 10:08:00 bobby osborne
   Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 11:32:00 Tim Henderson
      Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 12:05:00 John Hickman
         Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 12:08:00 Jules Maupin
            Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 12:48:00 Jennifer Selig
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 12:59:00 David Giles
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 13:06:00 Tim Henderson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way23/02/13 16:39:00 David Giles
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way24/02/13 09:33:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way24/02/13 10:12:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way24/02/13 10:21:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way24/02/13 11:05:00 Charles Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way24/02/13 23:01:00 Anna Beck
   Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way24/02/13 11:17:00 Loraine Pemberton
      Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way24/02/13 11:21:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way24/02/13 19:20:00 David Giles
            Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way03/04/13 19:07:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way03/04/13 20:41:00 Alan McBride
               Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way03/04/13 23:13:00 Jennifer Selig
                  Re: What about voting for mandatory recycling of certain things04/04/13 17:58:00 Philippa Bond
                     Mandatory wheeled bins04/04/13 18:01:00 John Todd
                        Re:Mandatory wheeled bins04/04/13 21:23:00 Jennifer Selig
                           Re:Re:Mandatory wheeled bins04/04/13 21:45:00 Peter Millman
                              Re:Re:Re:Mandatory wheeled bins04/04/13 22:31:00 Jennifer Selig
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Mandatory wheeled bins04/04/13 23:44:00 Guy Lambert
                                    Grove Park (and other specified areas) Trial of wheeled bins. Decision called-in by Chiswick Cllrs05/04/13 08:30:00 John Todd
                           Re:Re:Mandatory wheeled bins05/04/13 10:20:00 Elizabeth Ross
                     Re:Re: What about voting for mandatory recycling of certain things05/04/13 10:55:00 Sarah Felstead
                  Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way05/04/13 09:38:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way05/04/13 10:33:00 Dan Murphy
                      Wheelie Bins 05/04/13 10:37:00 John Todd
                        Re: Wheelie Bins - the official reasons05/04/13 11:02:00 Andy Murray
                           Re:Re: Wheelie Bins - the official reasons05/04/13 12:00:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Re: Wheelie Bins - the official reasons26/10/14 14:07:00 Annette Pettman
   Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way31/05/13 08:33:00 Tim Henderson
      Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way31/05/13 09:34:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way31/05/13 10:33:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way31/05/13 10:35:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way31/05/13 12:24:00 Richard Jennings
               Re:  It's easy to see what is in a green box31/05/13 14:14:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way31/05/13 14:08:00 Sam Jones
         Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way31/05/13 15:34:00 Claudia Jachtmann
            Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way31/05/13 21:59:00 Sam Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way31/05/13 23:02:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way01/06/13 00:51:00 Philippa Bond
                     We don't want Wheelie Bins in Grove Park01/06/13 12:34:00 David Giles
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way27/10/14 12:54:00 Rima Jones
      Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way01/06/13 16:03:00 Charles Campbell
         Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way01/06/13 17:28:00 Richard Jennings
            Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way01/06/13 17:34:00 Charles Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way01/06/13 18:16:00 Richard Jennings
            Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way01/06/13 18:38:00 Tim Henderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way01/06/13 23:59:00 Ian Anniss
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way02/06/13 06:23:00 Dan Murphy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way02/06/13 06:35:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way27/10/14 12:30:00 Jeni Evans
   Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way07/11/13 09:17:00 Tim Henderson
      Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way07/11/13 09:43:00 David Giles
         Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way07/11/13 14:03:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:They are at it again .. Wheelie Bins are on the Way07/11/13 19:05:00 David Giles
   Wheelie Bin - Public Perception Survey06/12/13 09:58:00 Tim Henderson
      Re:Wheelie Bin - Public Perception Survey06/12/13 10:54:00 Philippa Bond
   Wheelie Bins are on the Way (I wish)06/12/13 12:10:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Wheelie Bins are on the Way (I wish)06/12/13 12:12:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Wheelie Bins are on the Way (I wish)06/12/13 12:30:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Wheelie Bins are on the Way (I wish)06/12/13 15:53:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Wheelie Bins are on the Way (I wish)06/12/13 16:26:00 Richard Greenhough
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wheelie Bins are on the Way (I wish)06/12/13 16:33:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wheelie Bins are on the Way (I wish)06/12/13 16:45:00 Keith Iddon
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wheelie Bins are on the Way (I wish)06/12/13 17:10:00 Philippa Bond
                           bumping thread25/10/14 18:28:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                              Re:bumping thread26/10/14 14:44:00 Trudie Fuller
                                 Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 15:06:00 Caroline Carney
                                    Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 15:47:00 Trudie Fuller
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 17:16:00 Caroline Carney
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 17:32:00 Tracey Szwagrzak
                                    Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 17:09:00 Tracey Szwagrzak
                                    Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 19:12:00 Richard Jennings
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 21:30:00 Caroline Carney
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 22:04:00 Tracey Szwagrzak
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 22:18:00 Richard Jennings
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread27/10/14 07:01:00 Tracey Szwagrzak
                                 Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 15:10:00 Jim Lawes
                                    Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 15:27:00 Trudie Fuller
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 16:57:00 Jim Lawes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 23:39:00 Julian Pavey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread26/10/14 23:56:00 Jim Lawes
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread27/10/14 11:34:00 Trudie Fuller
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread27/10/14 20:15:00 Raymond DIcon
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:thumping bread27/10/14 20:18:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:thumping bread27/10/14 23:55:00 Richard Jennings
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:thumping bread28/10/14 07:29:00 Rob Reynolds
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:bumping thread29/10/14 09:17:00 Rima Jones
                                                         Wheelie bin29/10/14 12:46:00 Fay Kazemi
                                                            Re:Wheelie bin29/10/14 13:22:00 Elizabeth Ross
                                                               Re:Re:Wheelie bin29/10/14 13:33:00 Olivia Cook
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Wheelie bin29/10/14 13:49:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Wheelie bin29/10/14 14:10:00 Caroline Carney
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wheelie bin29/10/14 14:28:00 Fay Kazemi
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wheelie bin29/10/14 16:08:00 Tracey Szwagrzak
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wheelie bin29/10/14 16:10:00 Rima Jones
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Wheelie bin29/10/14 14:00:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Wheelie bin29/10/14 14:22:00 Elizabeth Ross

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