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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Read this thread with interest...
Posted by: Stewart Dean
Date/Time: 19/09/10 10:53:00

"The social state secularist view point comes from this philosophy.
And that is all secularism is - another worldview."

Like democracy, a national health system, free education and trial by jury. All these are world views as well.

"You have two feuding religions who believe in opposing things with passion. Instead of society investigating each religions way and making a choice - they add a third worldview/religion into the equation (secularism) who comes along and under the guise of 'unity' and 'harmony' and 'the greater good' slaps each of the religions down into a minority corners and effectively says "tow the secularist line" and admit that secularism rules."

This is paranoid and and inaccurate and rather perplexing. What exactly are the two religions feuding over? Are they feuding over getting believers? That's fairly normal and a secular system does not get in the way of that. You can have 100% religious believers and a secular government, it means that there is no official religion in power.

As soon as you get religion enter politics you get nothing but conflict, death and general nastiness that a secular system can never have the motivation to get anywhere near. Religion and politics should not mix in a civilised country, and nor should religion and education if I and other humanists get their way.

Secularism is not about putting down religion, it in no way is about removing, destroying or opposing religion in peoples everyday lives. It is opposed to religion being used as currancy or as a source of power. In a secular socierty the aim is to allow you to believe what you want without the fear of persecution. The proviso is that you, yourself, don't want to persecute others.

If you want to maintain your religious freedom then you better hope that our government and country in general remains secular. Can you imagine what would happen if our government became based upon one religious belief despite other believing something different? It would mean all other believers would be second class citizens or worse.

Secularism is not an absolue but a useful, common sense and well used default position to base a society upon. The alternatives can be seen around the world where there is conflict, civil war and general nastiness.


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                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Now I'm getting really ticked off!17/09/10 13:22:00 Richard Greenhough
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   Re:Now I'm getting really ticked off!20/09/10 00:29:00 Stewart Dean
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         Re:Re:Re:Now I'm getting really ticked off!20/09/10 21:17:00 Stewart Dean
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