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Topic: WTO Brexit and other lies
Posted by: Huw Burford-Taylor
Date/Time: 24/01/19 16:00:00

I came across this recently, one of the people I follow on twitter is an actual honest-to-goodness WTO expert. Since "Crash out no deal Brexit" is now being deceitfully rebranded as "WTO Brexit" that apparently all Leavers knew they were voting for I thought I'd reproduce this here. As usual I would imagine that those who do read it will have a good idea about what WTO rules actually mean, whereas those who should read it will dismiss it as "Project Fear" again. But hey ho, once more unto the breach again and all that.

"Debunking WTO, and what "trading on WTO terms" really means...

As EU members, we participate in over 750 international treaties.

Many relate to trade, enabling us to trade freely with the EU, the EEA, and 40+ other countries. Other treaties cover non-trade issues, from air worthiness certificates to drivers licenses, UK and EU citizens’ rights, food safety, environmental protections, workers rights, etc.

On Brexit Day, we leave the EU. That means we lose all the benefits of its treaties. The treaties are gone in a flash, as if we’d fed them into a shredder. (That’s not the EU being vindictive, it’s just how the Article 50 process works.) Even *if* we have a transition period the treaties will already be gone, but we will be shielded from the immediate shock by the transition arrangement.

Right now, we share in trade deals with 78 countries (22 more pending). These deals cover 60.7% of all our of all our goods imports, and 66.9% of our exports. Overnight, we will lose them all, wave goodbye to the painstaking gains of over forty years of trade negotiations.

In the absence of trade deals, we will be reduced to trading on WTO terms. WTO is a complicated system of tariffs and quotas, plus a baseline set of rules designed to make trade a little less painful and a little smoother than it otherwise would be. WTO provides a baseline for trade, but it is the absolute minimum that all rational countries seek to improve on. That's why everyone's trying to sign trade deals all the time.

In trade terms, WTO can be likened to fourth division football: it's definitely a step up from a kick around in the park using jerseys as goalposts, but it's by no means a high standard. The whole point of trade deals is to improve on the basic terms offered by WTO. Let's talk about tariffs. WTO has an immensely complex schedule of tariffs, running into thousands of categories. Different products attract different tariffs. For example, under WTO, cars are subject to tariffs of 10%.

Tariffs are paid by importers, but of course they then pass those extra costs onto the consumer.

Right now, UK manufacturers can sell cars to the EU tariff free. But under WTO, those cars will be subject to 10% tariffs, effectively making UK-made cars 10% more expensive for EU consumers.

But all the major car manufacturers have manufacturing facilities elsewhere, including other EU countries. So if we're reduced to trading on WTO terms, they'll just shift production to the EU and avoid the 10% tariffs.

WTO gives us the right to control the tariffs on our imports, even reduce them to zero if we want to. But that's when the WTO "most favoured nation" rule kicks in.

"Most favoured nation" is possibly the most misleading expression ever, because what it really means is that *we* are not allowed to favour one nation over another in our WTO dealings. So if for example if we are desperate for cabbages, we can set a tariff of 0% on them. That makes them cheaper, which stimulates demand and encourages more producers to send us their cabbages.

But we can't set a tariff of 0% for just one country. If we decide to drop the tariff on cabbages to 0%, that becomes our new tariff for every country in the world. So we get flooded with cabbages from the cheapest producers on the planet.

That's great if you love cabbages, but absolutely devastating if you're a UK cabbage farmer. You can't have it both ways. Either you shelter behind tariffs to protect domestic producers, or you reduce them or cut them to zero to encourage cheap imports - and destroy your local industry in the process. The rules of WTO force that trade off for every product sector. But that’s only half the picture. We have no control over other countries’ import tariffs, i.e. the tariffs imposed on the things UK-based producers export to them. If we’re trading with them on WTO terms, both the EU non-EU countries will impose whatever tariffs the WTO demands. Overnight, our exports will be more expensive. That, combined with the fact that we will no longer share common standards with the markets we export to (also covered by the treaties we will have lost) will make products manufactured in the UK significantly less competitive in the global market. For instance, why would any overseas consumer buy a UK-made car if they can get exactly the same car from the EU or elsewhere at a lower cost?

Short answer: they won't.

But what if the EU were to drop their tariff on cars to 0%? That would help our car producers, because our cars would no longer incur tariffs.

However, "most favoured nation" would kick in. The EU would be forced to offer every country in the world 0% tariffs on cars. The idea is absurd. After all, the EU aren't going to leave their domestic market unprotected just to help the UK. It would be completely irrational to expect them to.

So, in practice, trading on WTO terms will mean that everything we make in the UK will be more expensive for overseas consumers at a stroke. Some industries may be able to reduce their production costs to offset the tariffs; most will collapse.

And we will be faced with the impossible task of choosing product by product, industry by industry, which producers to protect by maintaining our own tariffs, and which to throw to the wolves by cutting or eliminating our tariffs.

If all of the above sounds grim, that's because it is. There are no countries in the world that trade exclusively on WTO terms with other nations. None whatsoever. Even North Korea has a couple of trade facilitation arrangements.

We will have none. Nothing at all. No country has ever torn up all its international arrangements before (quite frankly, none have been crazy enough to). So we will be in a very lonely, exclusive club.

So if somebody tells you the UK will be OK trading on WTO terms, they either:

A) Don't understand what that means
or
B) Are lying to you

For example, Patrick Minford (of Economists for Brexit) is on record as stating that WTO would destroy the UK car industry, but that it would be a price worth paying for the freedom afforded by Brexit.

In other words, Brexiters see manufacturers as collateral damage, to be swept aside in pursuit of Brexit.

Perhaps you're not so sanguine? Perhaps you would quite like the UK to keep manufacturing things In which case, you need to take heed of just how destructive, how damaging, trading on WTO terms would be.

Estimates for the likely damage range from 7%-10% of GDP. Even at the low end, that's worse than the 2008 financial crash.

But unlike the crash, we'd be willingly inflicting the pain on ourselves.

And the ultimate end result would be the return of austerity, not for a few years, but for decades or generations to come."




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                     Re:Re:Re:The desperate23/01/19 17:40:00 Jennifer Selig
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                        Re:Re:Re:Re:The desperate23/01/19 21:42:00 Jayne Thorburn
                     Re:Re:Re:The desperate23/01/19 18:14:00 Richard Greenhough
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               Re:Re:Re:Re:Dyson23/01/19 21:39:00 T P Howell
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                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Dystopian23/01/19 22:58:00 T P Howell
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                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Dystopian24/01/19 12:32:00 Alan Clark
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Dystopian24/01/19 12:36:00 Janice Evans
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                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Dystopian24/01/19 15:16:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
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   Brexit Trade Paradox24/01/19 13:17:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      Re:Brexit Trade Paradox24/01/19 15:34:00 Michael Brown
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      Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies24/01/19 20:48:00 Robert Fish
         Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies24/01/19 21:00:00 Carl Wynne
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         Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies24/01/19 20:59:00 Steve Taylor
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      Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies24/01/19 21:49:00 Janice Evans
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                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 09:05:00 Julian Pavey
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                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 09:48:00 Julian Pavey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 13:52:00 Steve Taylor
            For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 09:42:00 Richard Greenhough
               Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 09:55:00 Ken Munn
                  Re:Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 09:58:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 10:32:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 10:54:00 Robert Fish
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 11:17:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 11:31:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 11:43:00 Carl Wynne
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 11:43:00 Robert Fish
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 12:45:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 13:59:00 Alan Clark
                        Re:For all the gloom-mongers....25/01/19 14:37:00 John Whitworth
      Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 09:21:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 10:11:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 10:15:00 Janice Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 10:26:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 10:36:00 Robert Fish
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 10:41:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 12:17:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 12:23:00 Janice Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 14:05:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 10:22:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 10:31:00 Jennifer Selig
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                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 11:19:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 11:41:00 Janice Evans
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                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 14:21:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 14:26:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 14:35:00 Jayne Thorburn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:23:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:10:00 Janice Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:28:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:35:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:08:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:18:00 Janice Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:21:00 Janice Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:37:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:40:00 Ken Munn
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 15:46:00 Janice Evans
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 16:02:00 Alan Clark
                                       Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 16:02:00 Stuart Kerr
                                          Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 16:11:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 16:16:00 Alan Clark
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 16:19:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 16:19:00 Carl Wynne
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 17:21:00 Janice Evans
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 17:36:00 Carl Wynne
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 18:09:00 Janice Evans
                                          Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 16:38:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 16:46:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 16:50:00 Janice Evans
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 16:56:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 17:27:00 Janice Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 17:32:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 17:40:00 Janice Evans
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 17:59:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 18:00:00 Janice Evans
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 22:41:00 Claire Moran
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 22:50:00 Carl Wynne
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 23:08:00 Janice Evans
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:grasshoppers25/01/19 22:51:00 Janice Evans
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 16:05:00 Steve Taylor
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 16:53:00 Janice Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 22:57:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 23:28:00 Janice Evans
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 23:37:00 Alan Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 23:44:00 Janice Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit. Now 56% would vote "Remain"25/01/19 21:04:00 Janice Evans
   Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 21:29:00 Alan Clark
      Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies25/01/19 22:20:00 Steve Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 00:18:00 T P Howell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 07:39:00 Alan Clark
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 09:51:00 Ken Munn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 08:48:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 09:35:00 Janice Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 10:32:00 Kerry Chandler
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 10:46:00 Kerry Chandler
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 10:52:00 Ken Munn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 12:49:00 Janice Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 11:56:00 Janice Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 10:47:00 T P Howell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 11:59:00 Janice Evans
                     Brexit Trade  facts26/01/19 12:09:00 John Todd
                        Re:Brexit Trade  facts26/01/19 12:27:00 Kerry Chandler
                        Re:Brexit Trade  facts26/01/19 12:40:00 John Whitworth
                        Re:Brexit Trade  facts26/01/19 13:47:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Brexit Trade  facts26/01/19 13:59:00 John Whitworth
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 12:27:00 Julian Pavey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 13:08:00 Jayne Thorburn
                     Re:Brexit Trade Lies26/01/19 13:18:00 John Whitworth
                        Re: I despair.......26/01/19 13:50:00 Vanessa Smith
                           Re:Re: I despair.......26/01/19 14:28:00 Janice Evans
                              Re:Re:Re: I despair.......26/01/19 15:22:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re: I despair.......26/01/19 15:42:00 Janice Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: I despair.......26/01/19 16:11:00 Robert Fish
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: I despair.......26/01/19 16:19:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re: I despair....26/01/19 15:23:00 Alastair Banton
                              Re:Re:Re: I despair....26/01/19 15:37:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re: I despair....26/01/19 15:46:00 Alastair Banton
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: I despair....26/01/19 16:03:00 Janice Evans
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: I despair....26/01/19 16:18:00 Robert Fish
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: I despair....26/01/19 16:26:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: I despair....26/01/19 16:41:00 Robert Fish
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: I despair....26/01/19 16:53:00 Janice Evans
   Re:Brexit Trade Lies27/01/19 01:38:00 Jennifer Selig
      Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies27/01/19 07:55:00 Alastair Banton
      Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies27/01/19 08:44:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies27/01/19 10:11:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies27/01/19 12:14:00 Janice Evans
      Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies27/01/19 12:27:00 Janice Evans
   Re:Brexit Trade Lies27/01/19 13:31:00 Alan Clark
      I despair even more.........29/01/19 17:43:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:I despair even more.........29/01/19 18:01:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:I despair even more.........29/01/19 18:12:00 Kerry Chandler
            Re:Re:I despair even more.........29/01/19 18:49:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:I despair even more.........29/01/19 19:56:00 Ken Munn
               Re:Re:Re:I despair even more.........29/01/19 20:59:00 Steve Taylor
   Re:Brexit Trade Lies28/01/19 15:39:00 Brian Coyle
      Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies28/01/19 18:55:00 Steve Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies29/01/19 12:26:00 Brian Coyle
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies29/01/19 18:53:00 Steve Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies29/01/19 19:32:00 Richard Greenhough
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies29/01/19 19:56:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies29/01/19 20:12:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies29/01/19 21:09:00 Julian Pavey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit Trade Lies29/01/19 21:49:00 Claire Moran

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