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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).
Posted by: Tom Pike
Date/Time: 27/11/07 23:34:00

I wouldn't be so quick to leave, especially if you're living in Grove Park. First of all, the 6dB reduction in noise of the 787s and 380s compared to the current 747s is rather substantial. They'll certainly not be anything coming along quite as noiseless as an electric plane, though.

The ANASE report on attitudes to noise is pretty weak - they have some unique ways of defining noise averages, and they don't properly justify their choice of how to weight noise vs number of flights. I'm rather surprised it was published, at least based on the science, but there'd have been a lot more fuss if it were delayed any longer.

However, even if the ANASE weightings are used, the resulting sound levels end up being reduced, though only slightly, below the official projected Leq values for Grove Park. That's because there are expected to be fewer flights landing on the north runway in the future compared to 2002 under nearly every expansion scenario. Even if all landings are on the north runway after 2020, the ANASE calculation still shows the noise lower than 2002.

I agree, though, that the economic case for expansion is missing. In fact there is a much stronger case in terms of UK economic interests for an overall contraction of passenger numbers at Heathrow. Cut back on flights to tourist destinations and increase direct, frequent flights to more business centres. Fares would be increased and properly cover all the emissions costs.  Staffing would be maintained and delays would be nonexistent. BA and BAA might not be too happy as it goes against their beloved hub model. They can put their model somewhere else.

Heathrow expansion is not a very bright idea, but in any event I don't think we'll need to abandon Chiswick.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:00:00 Gary Watson
   Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:05:00 Sara Nathan
      Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:14:00 Gary Watson
      Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:15:00 Will Watson
         Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:23:00 Bernadette Paul
            Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:37:00 Malcolm Peltu
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:46:00 Gary Watson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 16:28:00 Ed Yelland
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.27/11/07 08:55:00 Bernadette Paul
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.27/11/07 09:04:00 Gary Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:38:00 Gary Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:47:00 Andy Rooney
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:09:00 Gary Watson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 16:02:00 Andy Rooney
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 16:10:00 Gary Watson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 16:22:00 Andy Rooney
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 16:32:00 Ed Yelland
         Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 14:34:00 Gary Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:13:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:24:00 Gary Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:25:00 Martin Williams
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:29:00 Gary Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:29:00 Gary Watson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:31:00 Gary Watson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:35:00 John Mc Cann
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:51:00 Gary Watson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:46:00 Richard Jennings
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 15:54:00 Gary Watson
                        I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 16:19:00 Verification Required
                           Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 16:25:00 Yeshim Harris
                           Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.27/11/07 07:37:00 Gary Watson
   Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not)26/11/07 16:41:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not)26/11/07 20:49:00 Paul Morris
      Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not)27/11/07 07:47:00 Gary Watson
         Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not)27/11/07 08:26:00 Peter Goodhew
            Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not)27/11/07 08:35:00 Gary Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not)27/11/07 19:03:00 David Fox
   Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.26/11/07 23:58:00 Peter Goodhew
      Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.27/11/07 07:54:00 Gary Watson
         Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion. (NOT)27/11/07 08:49:00 Yeshim Harris
            Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion. (NOT)27/11/07 08:57:00 Gary Watson
      Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.27/11/07 09:00:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.27/11/07 09:12:00 Gary Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.27/11/07 10:23:00 Tina Gallacher
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.27/11/07 10:26:00 Gary Watson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 10:47:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 11:22:00 Sammy Todd
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 11:25:00 Will Watson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 11:47:00 Jason Knights
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 11:50:00 Gary Watson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 13:24:00 Guy Lambert
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 16:01:00 Sarah Harty
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 16:11:00 Guy Lambert
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 16:23:00 Sarah Harty
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 16:52:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 18:15:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 16:20:00 Ed Yelland
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 13:17:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 20:30:00 Paul Morris
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).27/11/07 23:34:00 Tom Pike
                                 Near Kew or Far Kew>28/11/07 07:34:00 Gary Watson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).28/11/07 10:15:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    Local Conservatives oppose Heathrow expansion28/11/07 12:06:00 David Giles
                                       Re:Local Conservatives oppose Heathrow expansion28/11/07 12:55:00 Gary Watson
                                    "Westerly preference"28/11/07 13:06:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                       Re:"Westerly preference"28/11/07 13:36:00 Pete Higginson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).28/11/07 13:40:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).28/11/07 13:54:00 Richard Jennings
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).28/11/07 14:35:00 Tom Pike
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).28/11/07 14:43:00 Yeshim Harris
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).28/11/07 14:50:00 Gary Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).28/11/07 15:18:00 Martin Whaley
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion (not).29/11/07 07:19:00 Gary Watson
                                                       Benefits of Heathrow Expansion to Current Passengers "negligible" - DfT29/11/07 07:57:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re: Benefits of Heathrow Expansion to Current Passengers "negligible" - DfT29/11/07 08:45:00 Gary Watson
                                                            Re:Re: Benefits of Heathrow Expansion to Current Passengers "negligible" - DfT29/11/07 08:54:00 Tom Pike
                                                               Re:Re:Re: Benefits of Heathrow Expansion to Current Passengers "negligible" - DfT29/11/07 09:02:00 Gary Watson
   Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.29/11/07 10:45:00 Paul Hazeltine
   Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.29/11/07 10:46:00 Paul Hazeltine
      Re:Re:I'm all for Heathrow expansion.29/11/07 11:51:00 Pete Higginson
         I'm all for Heathrow contraction.29/11/07 18:33:00 Martin James Bleach

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