Forum Message

Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?
Posted by: Michael Robinson
Date/Time: 08/01/16 13:24:00


I've skimmed document 00479697 containing Appendix 7.5 with the air quality modelling and a few things stood out.

"there is evidence that the current ‘official’ emissions factors published by Defra may over- predicted the rate at which road traffic emissions of nitrogen oxides will fall in the future"

In other words, because of the practices of VW and other manufacturers, predicted improvements in air quality as a result of "cleaner" engines may not happen (or at least may not happen to the extent the government believed they would)

They've predicted a 1.074 growth factor of traffic by 2020 but haven't given any derivation of this figure. 

Is it made just made up from an increase in "through traffic" or have they also factored in the cumulative effect of other developments such as the new stadium development?

Other major schemes like the new Brentford stadium will have predicted traffic figures so it would be interesting to know if their figures are consistent.

"Traffic speeds have been estimated based upon professional judgement" 

In other words, it looks like they haven't done any computer modelling of the impact of this traffic upon Chiswick roundabout and surrounding roads

(computer modelling of complex junctions is costly and time consuming and is by no means perfect but at least should provide an indication of capacity thresholds for a junction.)

Traffic flows are non-linear in that they can increase, reach a threshold then traffic slows down dramatically or grid-locks.

I know the Brentford stadium development did do computer modelling of the impact of traffic on Chiswick roundabout as the model results were in the consultation documents.

Computer models can be useful tools but it is garbage-in, garbage-out so if the traffic volumes and speeds assumed are questionable, the pollution predictions will be questionable, not to mention the governments faith that engines will get cleaner in the real world.


Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout03/01/16 11:06:00 Una Hodgkins
   Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout03/01/16 16:32:00 Elizabeth Ross
      Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout03/01/16 17:03:00 Claire Moran
      Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout03/01/16 17:49:00 Una Hodgkins
         Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout03/01/16 18:21:00 Mark Perry
         Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout03/01/16 18:22:00 Una Hodgkins
            Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout04/01/16 09:09:00 Paul Corcoran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout04/01/16 14:05:00 Adam Beamish
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout06/01/16 18:39:00 Pamela Mayorcas
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout06/01/16 22:46:00 Adam Beamish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout04/01/16 14:39:00 Una Hodgkins
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout04/01/16 14:44:00 Adam Beamish
                     No Environmental Impact Assessment Needed?05/01/16 11:44:00 Paul Corcoran
                        Re:No Environmental Impact Assessment Needed?05/01/16 12:09:00 Adam Beamish
                           Re:Re:No Environmental Impact Assessment Needed?05/01/16 12:15:00 Paul Corcoran
                              Re:Re:Re:No Environmental Impact Assessment Needed?05/01/16 12:37:00 Adam Beamish
   Associated Documents Now Online05/01/16 11:49:00 Paul Corcoran
      Re:Associated Documents Now Online05/01/16 11:55:00 Elizabeth Ross
      Re:Associated Documents Now Online05/01/16 14:21:00 Claudia Jachtmann
         Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?06/01/16 15:48:00 Andrew OSullivan
            Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?06/01/16 15:56:00 Andy Pease
               Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?06/01/16 16:04:00 Andrew OSullivan
                  Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?06/01/16 22:55:00 Brian May
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?07/01/16 08:58:00 Paul Pryce
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?07/01/16 09:47:00 Una Hodgkins
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?07/01/16 20:13:00 Elizabeth Ross
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?07/01/16 21:54:00 Rima Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?08/01/16 09:25:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?08/01/16 11:22:00 Mark Perry
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?08/01/16 11:48:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick Curve or Chiswick Curse?08/01/16 13:24:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Grateful to Adam Beamish08/01/16 13:36:00 Guy Lambert
                                             Re:Grateful to Adam Beamish10/01/16 19:35:00 Adam Beamish
                                                Re:Re:Grateful to Adam Beamish11/01/16 09:11:00 Paul Corcoran
                                          Air quality measuring at Chiswick Roundabout09/01/16 10:45:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                             Re:Air quality measuring at Chiswick Roundabout09/01/16 12:01:00 Claire Moran
                                                Re:Re:Air quality measuring at Chiswick Roundabout09/01/16 12:32:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Air quality measuring at Chiswick Roundabout09/01/16 14:14:00 Claire Moran
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Air quality measuring at Chiswick Roundabout09/01/16 18:25:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Air quality measuring at Chiswick Roundabout09/01/16 18:45:00 Claire Moran
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Air quality measuring at Chiswick Roundabout09/01/16 21:25:00 Philippa Bond
                                                               Illuminated fascia signs on the tower11/01/16 11:59:00 J Nicholas Floyer
                                                                  Re:Illuminated fascia signs on the tower11/01/16 18:38:00 Una Hodgkins
   Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout12/01/16 11:24:00 Roger Neil Vipond
      Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout13/01/16 14:13:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
         Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout13/01/16 14:27:00 Sarah Dinsmore
            Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout13/01/16 14:43:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout13/01/16 14:59:00 Sarah Dinsmore
                  32-storey tower - no details in Agenda for Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY13/01/16 16:34:00 Andy Murray
                     Re:32-storey tower - no details in Agenda for Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY13/01/16 16:45:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                        32-storey tower plans- need details for public at Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY13/01/16 17:01:00 Andy Murray
                           Re:32-storey tower plans- need details for public at Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY13/01/16 17:33:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                              Re:Re:32-storey tower plans- need details for public at Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY13/01/16 18:10:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                                 Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower plans- need details for public at Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY13/01/16 18:22:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower plans- need details for public at Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY13/01/16 21:27:00 Roger Neil Vipond
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower plans- need details for public at Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY13/01/16 22:06:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower plans- need details for public at Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY14/01/16 02:55:00 Roger Neil Vipond
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower plans- need details for public at Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY14/01/16 23:17:00 Pamela Mayorcas
                           Re:32-storey tower plans- need details for public at Chiswick Area Forum NEXT TUESDAY14/01/16 20:21:00 Marie-Louise Rabouhans
   Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout13/01/16 21:18:00 Roger Neil Vipond
      Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout14/01/16 10:55:00 Madeleine Hazard
         Re:Re:Re:32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout14/01/16 23:05:00 Anita Blake
   Re:clinically insane 32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout17/01/16 20:16:00 Catherine Pierard
      Re:Re:clinically insane 32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout18/01/16 12:52:00 Paul Corcoran
         Re:Re:Re:clinically insane 32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout18/01/16 14:46:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
         Re:Re:Re:clinically insane 32-storey tower at Chiswick roundabout18/01/16 14:53:00 Una Hodgkins

Forum Home